November 16, 2009 6:51 PM GMT
I'm the last person realy to contribute to the hormones threads, I take proffessional help and prescriptions supplied on advice from my endo.
But, I do know a little about this particular plant derivitives. Pueraria Mirifica, Pueraria Tuberosa.
It is an indemic plant from Northern Thailand, The products described are derived from the tuberous roots and there are two main varieties,
The red root, which is crushed and stewed to make a tea, taken by Men in the belief that it enhances their libido and the size of their manhood. Contains high levels of aldosterone.
The other type is that of the white root containing high levels of Phytoestrogen can be highly carcegenic acelerating cancer. Reference Cornel University studies.
If you are ever inquisitive, not sure. do some research if it does'nt show side effects and only promotes the good sides, leave well alone.
Wikepedia states the claims are exagerated and unsubstantiated even they are asking for recognised trusted sources for verification
Perhaps Marsha or Lucy can tell me what (estrogenic phenol miroestrol) is
This link is quite old, but is as good today as it was when it was first put together
http://www.looking-glass.[...]cal.htm
Cristine xxXxx
November 16, 2009 11:10 PM GMT
Janice, welcome. Obviously.
Please don't think me prudish but can I just enquire whether your profile pic is suitable family viewing? Whilst I'm interested in peoples progress and would like to see photo results, I believe they are primarily kept in the members enclosure and not where the general public can peruse them...
Just a thought hunni.
x
November 17, 2009 12:15 PM GMT
Due to issues we have had in the past surrounding discussions of a particular herb, future discussions of this non-hormonal product will not be allowed in the hormone forum.
I have hidden the last few posts on the subject, sorry for any inconvenience.
xx
November 17, 2009 12:23 PM GMT
Lucy,
Why? I thought your post and Marshas was indicative to giving good advice, herbal products, the termt is still mentioned in the opening post. surely the pros and cons, should all be open to debate, People being made aware of unsubstantiated claims in all fairness, even if its only a warning, buyer beware, to read and research an individual product.
xxXxx Cristine
November 17, 2009 12:37 PM GMT
I have my reasons Cris. The moderators discussed this at length at the time.
This thread is about the Flat to Fem system, no posts have been hidden on this subject, and I hope those of us with an educated opinion about it have got our message across.
The last few posts were about a different product.
Questions about herbal alternatives will always be asked, and hopefully answered. Recommendations for certain non-hormone products in the hormone forum will not go down well with the moderators.
xx
November 17, 2009 12:52 PM GMT
Sorry Lucy, I am confused, I was certainly NOT recommending them, I was trying to point out out that, this particular product is advertised with no mention or warnings of side effects and the only valid counter claim and warning came from studies at Cornell University. I still maintain that products like this should carry factual and legitimate explanations of what they are, do, warning of any detrimental effects using these products may cause.
Yet several people have expounded their experiences saying they had success with herbals, surely that is all encompassing, lumping all of them together.
I think one is morally bound to say somthing if they discover somthing that has been mentioned and they are not conversant with relevant information that is availabel
Even deleted or rather hid, my link to a well researched article and guide to transitioning with all the explantations of relevent matters, hormoes, hair removal, GRS, etc.
Cristine xxXxx
November 17, 2009 1:03 PM GMT
Cristine, sorry for any confusion, and I understand how frustrating it is when you spend time writing a post only for it to be hidden.
I am not suggesting that you are recommending anything. Someone else recommended a particular product, off-topic to this thread, which for very valid “other” reasons is taboo in our hormone forums. Other posts about it ensued, they have all been hidden. Sorry. If you need to know more please contact me privately.
Your link is a very useful resource, so here it is:
http://www.looking-glass.[...]cal.htm
xx
November 17, 2009 1:52 PM GMT
I understand 100% now, thankyou and your action is wholeheartedly supported.
Cristine
November 17, 2009 5:53 PM GMT
I will have another go, not mentioning any brand names or particular products, This is only my personal opinion/experience, and should not be taken personally by anyone on this site. But I am aware that people join lots of sites, out of a self interest basis to soley promote products they are involved with. Anyone heard the term Pyramid selling?
Put it this way, you buy eye liner, make up, from a reputable source, you know its been tested and evaluated, safe in the knowledge that its safe to use, if its endorsed for sensative skin, then you know the risks. common sense should tell anyone before buying medicines or using prescriptive drugs to read the instructions and take note of any possible side effects, if they don't have instructions or warnings, does'nt that make you a bit suspicous, anything you take in the way of herbal remedies, do some research, ie. Bella Donna could be described as a perfect lasting remedy for narcolepsy.
Cristine
November 23, 2009 7:58 PM GMT
Marsha, Great thinking.
I never even thought that way, my knowledge is limited to one or two branded products and their reputedly, posibly adverse side effects and scientificaly unproved benefeits.
But as you say logically if they were that good, a long established reputation for excellent and positive results, The major pharmesutical companies would be all over these products, cheaper to manufacture, less research and production costs,
bigger returns and profits, every shareholder would have their own little hot house turning them out by the bale load.
Lets face it when it comes to turning a quick buck these companies are not know for being slow to take advantage of the magic bean theory.
Cristine xxXxx
November 24, 2009 1:40 PM GMT
Hi Jeri,
Very well put!
Best,
Melody