Wow I had heard the term ta before and never thought to much about it till I read this. My currant girl freind is ts we met at a friends party and started dating. She came out with me 3 months ago. I have decided to stay with her for several reasons none of which have to do with the sex altho its fine #1 she is one of the kindest-decent people I have ever met #2 she behaves more like a lady with more class and femininity tthan the last three GG GFs combined. #3 she has a uniqe perspective on male attitudes and a better understanding of my feelings than any GG I have ever met. So let them bash me if they want

Lots of hugs Keith for seeing your GF as the person she is. TA is just a label, nothing else. Some make it out to be more than it truly is.

Hugs,
Marsha

I suppose I'm in a rare, but not unique position at the moment. I'm a pre-op engaged to be married. However, my fiance is a TV and fully understands what I'm going through. We met as TVs, introduced to each other by a mutual Canadian friend (TV as well). So initially our relationship was as two TVs. Then after my marriage broke up I moved in with my caring friend. After a time we ended up with 4 of us in the relationship, 2 guys and 2 girls. 21 months ago Belinda slipped an engagement ring on my ring finger, but she pointed out that she was doing this on behalf of Bob. Now I have my female birth certificate we've made arrangements to get married 3 months after my op.

If I think back I did have some TAs but I found that most only wanted a sexual relationship. They often admitted to wanting sex with a TV because they didn't see it as cheating on their marital partners.

Alina xx

Hi everyone....I've only been a member on here for a week or so. There are so many replies to this thread that I don't have time to read them all, but wanted to respond.

General Bio info: White male...New York....Bisexual with Transgendered girls...Masculine...Mostly hetero relationships with GGs-3 dating relationships with transgendered girls

Before I answer the questions, I have to tell you that this is the FIRST site I have found that treats admirers with as much friendliness and respect. Now...I know...you often reap what you sow. But I always treat everyone with respect and courtesy, and have rarely found it on other sites. certainly not to the degree that the members here exhibit.

Okay...to the questions.
What is the attraction? Damned if I know :-) What is the attraction with anyone you meet? With me...on the physical side...it's a pretty face and a great set of legs. Add to that a good personality and good sense of humor...combined with the love of sex...and it's a winning combination whether the girl has a penis or she doesn't.
BUT...having said that....I have to say that for me there is a certain (almost magical) attraction to a Crossdresser/Transgendered girl. Whether it is the idea of sharing something special with someone who IS special...something considered taboo by a lot of the closed minded population...maybe. Whether it comes from some kind of latent gay attraction...I don't know. Whether it comes from being a sexual person who enjoys being physical...possibly.
What makes someone prefer blondes over redheads? What gives some people an attraction to bald men as opposed to those with hair?
Whatever the cause of the attraction...the magnetic pull...I have this overwhelming attraction to Transgendered gurls. And with that physical and sexual attraction, comes a social attraction...a respect....an interest...and a desire. Just as it would with a GG.

Am I comfortable in public? Absolutely.

Feeling of Guilt? No way. Just the opposite. Why would you ever feel guilty about being with someone you like...desire...enjoy?

Okay...those are my unsolicited two-cents worth (Hmmmm...probably more like $75.00 worth).

Hope to meet more of you from time to time!

David

Hi how about another honest point of view. I agree I don't like the T/A designation. A little background info might help explain some of the things I'm about to say. Sometime ago I met and dated a wonderful girl after a time and before becoming intimate she told me she was a post op T/G we got along great and I didn't see where it made any difference but it did lead me to this site and a few others that I found that were not porn sites that actually allowed for learning about transgender people. After spending considerable time here and elsewhere I would like to say it's quite possible for a normal straight guy to date T/G girls. I have various reasons for wishing to do so and I will freely admit some are a little bit selfish although I wouldn’t consider any of them to be perverted or voyeuristic. Stated reason number one I have found many of the girls to be more feminize that typical modern day natal females. Number two I think and this is only an opinion but formed from talking with a lot of different girls that a there will be a much higher degree of fidelity in the relationship. Number three My personal experience leads me to believe in general T/G people are more understanding and willing to work at a relationship and much more comuacative possibly because of higher than average intelligent I have no real data to prove this it's based on conversations and asking questions IQ education Ect. Number four and probably the most selfish reason of all a smaller pool of decent available understanding males to chose from means a much greater likelihood of meeting a girl who will be a kind affectionate loving faithful smart full partner for a man willing and able to give the same in return

Hi Nikki i certainly don't like it but I understand and won't leave because of it I understand most of the girls being wary of any guy they don't know and so girls asking questions of a guy when he comes into the chat room shouldnt be unexpected. Sure it may take a while for the girls to get to know you but I have found word gets around pretty quickly if your a decent guy the girls find out quickly who is and who isnt. While I don't condone outright attacks (unless its a known troll) lol I do understand why the girls have questions so my advice would be Guys when you come in pull up a chair stay a while answer some questions and get to know people trust is something you build you do it the old fasion way "you earn it"

Hi Cristine you and I have met in the chatroom and talked before. My first thought when I read you question was gee I thought I said that. I went back reread my post and by golly your right i didn't. Ok a very specific answer is yes I not only enjoy social discourse and interacting with trans girls I fully intend to find a nice girl to settle down with get married and spend my life with. As I have stated in other posts I have some very good reasons for looking for a trans girl. The next part of you question is a little more difficult, For me the attraction of a trans woman isnt the genitals it's in her head I have gone into that in other posts. I'm a straight male I hope the girl I fall in love with is post op or wants to be post op someday that said tho we rarely chose who we fall in love with if it happend that I loved a girl who for whatever reason will be non op I think the love would be the most important part and I would be open minded enough as i said the genitals are not the atraction. The last part of your question is easy LOL it's up to the girl it's her right to chose what people know about her doesn't matter if it's her friends or mine her family or mine it's her decision and ill stand by whatever she decides If she prefers to put being trans behind her fine if she doesn't mind/care who knows fine too again I said in another post I have no shame or guilt about being with a trans girl I want the nicest sweetest loving girl there is and I have good reason to belive that will be a trans woman. Keith

Hi folks, I don't know that everyone will find my thoughts on this topic particularly edifying but in the interests of cross-cultural understanding, here goes.

1. What is the attraction of TGirls when you can have the real thing?

OK, let's start with the obvious -- genitalia. While I've always been a big fan of secondary female characteristics, the vagina itself has never been that big of a turn-on. Like most men I enjoy some porn, but I never felt comfortable with the "spread" shots you see in the nastier magazines. I'll happily lick or finger a genetic woman's vagina, but more to get her off than for its own sake. As for penises, I used to have a repulsion toward pictures of guys with exposed penises, but after seeing this for a few months at work (doing web sites, including gay porn), it no longer had an impact (that is, neither attraction nor repulsion, just neutral).

When I first saw transexual porn, something clicked. You might not believe this but at first I thought these I was looking at pictures of genetic women who received some kind of penis transplant. I had of course heard about "guys dressed as girls", but ever since that moment, a MTF transexual has always been, in my mind, first and foremost a woman -- just with an extra-special "fun zone". And playing with a T-girl's penis is really fun.

Why this is, I'm not sure; it may be some kind of latent partial/unrealized homosexual impulses, or just a "naughty"-ness factor. As a kid I had to sneak around and hide my sexual dalliances from mum and dad. Now sex is considered healthy and normal which is a bit... boring. C'est la vie.

I think this is where some T-girls are offended by their admirers; it's easy to see this excitement a form of fetishism, or at least objectification. However I am not sure this really meets the definition of a "fetish", and at least for me the attraction is psychological in addition to physical. Certainly I am attracted to the brash trash-talking personalities of some T-girls I meet; always quick with a dismissive comment or dick joke. I love their confidence and how comfortable they are with their sexuality. In a way the adversity of their cultural situation gives them the opportunity to rise up and be so attractive in their response.

2. Are you comfortable being out in public (daylight, highstreet, not in a club) with one of us?

Sometimes. I do think this is fun but unfortunately, I am not ready to discuss this part of my life with all of my friends and family. Therefore I generally go out in areas where most people I know are less likely to run into us. I like both kinds of women, genetic and "self-made", which is hard for some people to accept. The people I am mainly worried about are business contacts (the less they know about my personal life the better) and straight genetic women (who might consider me "unsuitable" for dating). I believe bisexual men have a similar problem; most straight men and women just don't have a neat category to put them in, which makes them uncomfortable.

Society seems to be moving slowly in a direction of accepting MTF trans (and admirers) into the mainstream, judging by the appearance of some T-girls in major magazines and popular culture. I feel that mainstream acceptance is a better path than subculture-ization (or "ghetto-ization"), which it seems the gay community has largely embraced. Clearly it is up to people such as me to move society in this direction, but personally I can only do it slowly -- one friend / situation at a time. I may or may not eventually get to the point where I can embrace this as part of my public identity. In this way I am jealous of the freedom and confidence of the transexuals I admire.

3. Have you ever felt guity after being 'close' (kissing, sexual contact and so on) with a girl?

No way, it's awesome! It definitely feels "right" and psychologically satisfying.

I’m new to this forum, but am certainly not new to the TG community.

“Admirer”, I’ve found, may be used in either a positive or negative sense and as far as I can tell the difference is regional. In those regions where “admirer” is used in a positive sense (that is, guys who are attracted to TS ladies for healthy reasons) the negative flipside of that coin is known as the “tranny-chaser”.

Anyhoo, from my perspective… I more-or-less agree with everything the admirers have said in this thread—especially David L. One thing I’d like to add from my own perspective that I hope you ladies will find enlightening, though, is the sexual/relationship evolution of a man.

I first discovered transwomen through shemale porn during my adolescence. Mind you, this was around the same time that I was REALLY discovering my interest in girls. As I got older my thoughts about sex and relationships matured. The way I came to understand women (GG or TG) evolved, and is still evolving (I’m now 43 yo).
Typical of an adolescent I has to ask those questions such as “How do I get with that girl?” and “How do I get to keep that girl”? Funny thing is that at 43 I’m still learning the answers to those questions LOL
All this is very typical of teen boys and young men. But there was one thing in my story that was a bit different: I kept finding these pictures of “special girls” and I found myself asking similar questions. But there was an additional one: “Where/How do I find a girl like that?”

Long story short I leant what I could of the TG community, found some contacts, and went from there. This was all in the days before the internet, so it was a bit more difficult than it is now.

What I’m trying to say in all this is simple. Men are very sexual creatures. We cannot help that—it’s in our genes. Similarly, we are also very visually stimulated creatures. Even if a man is in a committed relationship and has no intention whatsoever of cheating on his girlfriend/wife he will look at other women. We’re just wired that way.
So now you take a man who is attracted to transgendered women. Sex will be on his mind. Again, we can’t help that. Does that mean that all we want is sex? Of course not! Men need comfort, stability, support, and all those things just as women do. But it will be sexual interest that first makes us pay attention; at least most of the time. After we’re paying attention a lady can win over our hearts. But if we don’t notice her in the first place…
Men are the opposite of women in that way. A man becomes sexually interested so now he’s interested in exploring the person; a women gets to know the person and as a result becomes sexually interested. The gods do have a sense of humour.

Why am I sexually attracted to trannys? I don’t know. Maybe we’re dealing with a birth defect that fits well with the one you’re trying to treat. Maybe we’re all just a bunch of weirdoes. To use a redundant phrase, maybe we’re just wired that way. I cannot tell you why, and I don’t really care why. I just know that’s the reality of things. The important thing, though, is that I went through a lot to find out how I might find one of these wondrous women (I’ve only dated 2), and I am not alone in this pursuit. Instead of fearing or rejecting admirers out of hand, perhaps more transwomen out to be fielding one simple question: “Does he really get it?”

I must say that I can’t understand why going out with M2F TS should be any different then going out with any GG? I have for years gone out with both males and females with zero problems and the same is with my brothers. Some are maybe a bit shy to start with but when they realise I’m “just another girl” they just relax and take it easy with me.

My mum is the same. She enjoys going out shopping with me and in fact she also enjoy it because she is noticing how other males look at me compared with other females. She often says "did you see how he...."

Now with the kissing, you know in France males always kiss the girls on left-right fashion and people that knows me gives me kisses and both girls and boys do the same. When I met old friend of mine he just said “now I can kiss you as well” and I got kiss in the same friendly way, as he would have kissed any woman.

I think TS admires are not much different then M2F TS admires other M2F TS so in some way we are standing in the same barn.

xxx Natalie

I think dating a GG and a TS are exactly the same but different.

On one hand, Natalie, I agree with you, that most of the day-to-day things are the same. One’s life of work, shopping, intimacy, hanging out with friends, handling routine chores, finding weekend fun… No difference.

On the other hand there are some differences too. Most TS ladies bear certain family issues and other baggage that a GG doesn’t. That’s not to suggest that GGs don’t have baggage too, but it is different. If you are involved in a real relationship the two of you will be sharing everything—including one another’s baggage.

There’s another difference that I think most transwomen fail to consider, and this is a big one. From the point of the admirer/boyfriend’s view he’s dealing with a lot of issues not unlike your own when it comes to matters of social acceptance, revelations to family and so forth.
Remember what it felt like the first time you went in public ‘dressed’? Half of you was tickled pink and the other half was scared silly! Do you think we feel any different the first time we’re in public with our TS girlfriend?

Like you, we grow in confidence over time. With one major difference: you get to make decisions about when you will take new steps in your transition (for the most part, anyway) and your confidence-building progresses as you naturally mature. In the case of the admirer, though, our ‘time in’ allowing us to overcome negative emotions only really exists when you allow us the time to do it! Hel, if there’s no gf there’s no issue and we can be in the closet forever, right? But once a gf—or even a date—comes into the picture we’re expected to be strong, confident, and full of life. That puts a lot of pressure on a guy. No wonder so many chicken out and leave you standing without a phone call or anything! Not that it’s the right thing to do, but it is understandable. When a guy does that it means he’s afraid of himself and doesn’t know for sure how to face it. How many TSs can say they don’t know that feeling?

All this sounds very negative. But there’s a flipside. Shared crisis builds bonding. The more two people work at overcoming these issues TOGETHER the stronger their relationship with become. And in the end isn’t it all worth it?

For one thing Nikki, I don't like the "shemale" stamping as said in your link but we must know that there could be many reasons for dating because when a male ask me out I don’t consider this as dating at all, just friends asking another friend out for a dinner or a night out. Maybe it’s “dating” for some but I would never take it any further then that even though I get a French kiss, but that is just normal in my eyes and nothing special beside the male confirms that I’m for him are a female.

I can tell you about the last time I went out with a male… We went to Paris and we took some pictures, he of me and me of him. When we shared pictures he said “I look so ugly on my pictures and you looks so nice” and then he suggested that next time we meet he want me to do makeup on him and dress him as girl because he want to see how he would look like as woman.

So even if we are just friends, I think he really see me as woman and there might be something more going on in his brain, but so far don’t tell me, but we will meet again and then he will become “she” haha.


xxx Natalie

Well I think the word "shemale" is OK Nikki but not for transsexuals. Also many misuse "transsexuals" so it often comes in bad light and does not fit us at all but they say TS comes in all flavours so? I think Google is really bad on this because if you search on shemale or transsexual in images you get the same picture which is totally wrong. I guess Google see it's equal but it's not.

I don't mind if people say I'm TS because in my opinion that's just a fact and all of those I know they see M2F TS as woman anyway even though my dad don't want to admit it, I know he still take good care of me, it's just to hard for him to say I'm a woman.

In France you know so easily if they see you as male or female because the day a male kiss you, he see you as female and when he says "Madame" he also see you as female so shemale or transsexual in fact does not matter much but I know it depends on how you pass in the gender you want to be.

xxx Natalie

Natalie- I fully realize that different people feel different ways about certain things. It’s great that you were confident going out ‘dressed’ for the first time! Most girls can’t boast that. But I must say that I was only using one general reaction to describe another. General terminology obviously cannot account for every situation.

Cristine- You bring up some rather touchy (pun fully intended) questions. I can only answer as one guy…
Talking to women—both GG & TS—the problem of men being selfish in the bedroom is very prevalent. I don’t know what to tell you about that other than if he doesn’t care about your satisfaction you can find a better man.
I’ve often had the opposite problem. It so much more important to me to insure that the lady is taken care of that I’ve had girlfriends come back and say something to the effect of, “I want to be able to take care of you too, you know!” I guess neither extreme is desirable.
As far as men taking either the active or passive role I don’t think that has much if anything to do with interest in pre-op TS women except for the obvious mechanics. I cannot imagine a man being passive with a TS and active with a GG (or a post-op)—although it probably does occur. I like to think that I’m somewhat experienced, but whenever I find out about some people’s bedroom situations I often find myself amazed at the things that go on LOL

Nikki- I’m not saying that men who act that way are acting rightly. I’m only saying that it’s understandable. There’s a difference.
BTW, I’m using a lot of ideas from both TS Girlfriend and the site from Renee Reyes (sp?) in my own efforts. The only major difference is that I’m focussing more on the man’s perspective than the woman’s. I don’t think there will be a whole lot of difference in content. There may be some minor points from my own experience that different from what’s on those sites, but from what I’ve read of them we seem to be pretty much on the same page.

Lucy- Thank you for the welcome!
Yes, I know that some women can be very sexual creatures. And it seems the older women become the more sexual they get! If my gf has another birthday I may need to start taking vitamins or some thing just to keep up with her hahaha
I was not trying to suggest that men are more sexually inclined than women. But that for men sexual interest is usually more of a prime motivator than it is for women. I think most women see sex as the celebration of a relationship while men tend to see the relationship as a product of good sex.

Hello all,
Saw this thread and kinda wanted to throw in my two cents. Seems like a lot of girls have gotten the sleazy trolls who come into the chatroom to "cyber". I know in my case that I like women (in fact have a daughter) but I have always been attracted to this lifestyle. Unfortunately it is easier for me to tell you girls that I am into the type of girls on here, but I don't have to live the life day to day like so many of you wonderful girls. It is a double standard type thing, and I admire each and every one of the girls on here.
Also, most guys are just as scared to deal with the emotion they are felling for you girls. Sometimes that can be seen as not caring, etc. but it is a true feeling. I hope all the girls on here can get to know the good guys and weed out the bad. And they probably call us admirers because we really couldn't do what you girls do.

Jason

For what it's worth, Nikki, most GGs I talk to have the same complaint about the calibre of ment they tend to attract.

Perhaps it's not a problem with "admirers" per se, but the simple fact that there are so many guys out there that simply don't know how to treat a lady?

One would think that would be sort of a common sense thing. But you know the old saying: "Common sense really isn't all that common"!

Hi all,

Glad to see my original thread still as legs, and that it might well have helped melt a few barriers between the self-imposed TLAs (Two-Letter-Acronmyms).

My life situation remains pretty much as it did when I posted the original question, and I am always keen to hear questions from ladies who are curious about TAs. As was mentioned further up, I am an ex-TV, who dips in and out now and then, although I am now quite settled in what I am. The fact that I work on a magazine, that's understaffed and has punishing deadlines has meant that I had parked my involvement in Trannyweb (although some of my friends do keep in touch via Facebook), but I am now disciplining myself ('cos who else would do it?) to return here and enjoy some 'me' time.

So I guess my question to the ladies on this forum would be - how would you deal with a bloke like me so massively focused on his career that it takes over my life for periods of months at a time? Those who know me are really understanding and nice about it, but how long would that understanding continue?

Hugs
Keef

Keef,
I have noticed that many of the girls on this site (including myself) did not just "Happen" one day...we evolved to the point we are now at. Many of us had different outlooks in our earlier days. The differences in our circumstances (Familial, Social, Financial, and Life Experience) have, and will continue to have, influence on our lives.
My question to you would be...what stages have you gone through in your "gender outlook" in life? And if you had to start all over, what parts would you cherish ...and what parts would you regret?

" ...as my needs entwined, like rivers of light ....and I came through the doorway, somewhere...in the night"

Hey Doanna,

Nice to meet you. This question fascinated me:

My question to you would be...what stages have you gone through in your "gender outlook" in life? And if you had to start all over, what parts would you cherish ...and what parts would you regret?

I think I've been through them all through the years - curiosity, guilt, experimentation, secrecy, acceptance, attraction - and perspective
And I know where I am with it now - attraction and understanding

Looking back, I cherish the times I went dating, and made some really good friends... and regret that I didn't reach this understanding 20 years ago when I had some semblance of good looks

/K
Xx

Thankyou guys.

So, the next thing is.............................do you have any preference for GG's over TG's? Given the opportunity, which would you prefer to have as a partner? Please elaborate your answer.

Nikki

Oooh, you'd better brace yourself Keef, this could get busy!!

From the outset though, can everyone please keep any animosity and personal comments out of this thread, as it is the kind of subject that I see causing some emotions to run high.

I actually have a lot of questions but I'm not sure a public forum is the place to ask them. So..........
here's a few to get the ball rolling...............

1. What is the attraction of TGirls when you can have the real thing?
2. Are you comfortable being out in public (daylight, highstreet, not in a club) with one of us?
3. Have you ever felt guity after being 'close' (kissing, sexual contact and so on) with a girl?

I hope the men who answer this do so honestly, and feel free to expand on the answers instead of giving one word/one line replies.

Nikki

Hey Keef!

This could be ab interesting thread and I hope many guys take the opportunity to reply. I know nothing about TA's and so this is a learning opportunity for me too...

Much love.

Rae xx

Thankyou for the answers Keef. The guilt one (number 3) stems from converstions and experiences I have come across before. The man can have huge guilt feelings about being gay or whatever afterwards. It's very sad for the girl involved but it does happen.

Porscha, I think some of your points regarding TA's (which I use negatively here) are quite valid, they see us as sex objects, it's gross.

As for genuine men, it's very different and not about being told you look good etc etc, but is more about spending some time together and just enjoying each others company. Of course, it's nice to be told you look good but only if it is genuine, noone likes to be used.

I see nothing wrong in dating someone who likes Tgirls, whether they are male or female, straight gay or bi. As long as both parties are happy with what they are getting into.

Another one for Keef - I would hate to be seen by anyone here in drab, but have you ever met the same person in drab and en femme, and does it make you feel any different about them, or do you find you treat them and differently?

Nikki

Everybody please note joelles message before adding something here. It is not an analysis of TA's or men, but is a chance to ask pertinent questions.

Nikki

Hey!

I'm really only an observer here. I have no experiences of TA's.

Nikki, hunni, I note this thread has no forum administers listed. Please assume the mantle - your calm wisdom may be needed!

Keef, hunni, I am so saddened that yours is the only voice coming through. You come across as intelligent, educated, well thought out and sincere. You come across as the type of person we would all aspire to have as a friend.

So why are you the only one? How many 'TA's' would a casual database search pull up? Even those hidden behind a catchy username are silent. I truly hope that changes.

It seems that the negative experiences of TG members are many. But this thread has a wonderful potential to heal and bring understanding.

I hope it elicits more interaction.

Keef, you're a wonderfull General - just hope your troops catch you up!

Much love

Rae xx

I'm sorry to say this one is a little grim but in light of all the 'T/A' joining in the last week I would like to know..........

Why do a high percentage of TA's always assume that a Tgirl is just gagging for sex? (Which really annoys me)!!

I know that is a sweeping generalisation, sorry, but the reader will know whether it applies to them or not.

Nikki

In my experience, many TAs who enter the chatroom are only looking for one thing and it's not intellectual conversation. Keef is an honourable exception. He seems a decent guy who is interested in people as people and he's thought about the issues facing T-girls.

My personal position as Catherine is that I would much rather spend my time with real girls or with T-girls than with TAs or any man. I just prefer female or T-girl company. The clothes help, obviously, but they're not the main thing: it's the outlook on life that counts.

Oddly enough, I would be happier seeing someone like Keef if I was in drab than if I was in girl mode.

Keef, you are a bloke with a feminine side (I think). That's the kind of bloke I like to hang out with - not someone who sees women as sex objects, supports Arsenal, and drives a flash car. As two blokes we could enjoy an evening together.

But as Catherine, I would see you as an admirer - that is, a man with a feminine side who was not prepared for whatever reason to put on a dress and assert your femininity.

Maybe all I'm saying is that I still don't understand what you're really in it for.

Some of do accept you (and others) for just being yourselves and don't assume there is always a hidden agenda.

Another question - I know you don't like the label 'TA' so how does it make you feel to be grouped in with them as a whole, particularly since many girls here will assume you are just after sex?

Nikki

Oooh good answer, and you seem to be making quite an impression here and showing us that not all T/A 's are the same. Of course they aren't, and neither are the girls. Good job Keef, I hope we can keep this thread going as I'm sure that there are a lot of questions out there.

Nikki

That reminds me of a guy who came into the chatroom about a week ago, saw that we were just chatting about normal everyday things and had given him the 'wrong' answers to his sexually charged questions, so he abruptly left. Shame, lol.

Nikki

“…should we maybe aggressively obtain the true intentions of his visit?”
I know you asked Keith (or any men, surely?) but isn’t it better to approach them politely and courteously if you expect the same from them. Intentions soon become clear, there is no need for the third degree.
Innocent until proven guilty. Let’s stop being prejudiced against men, regardless of TA or any other label.
A man who isn’t a tranny admirer or gay, is a “woman admirer”; at the end of the day they are all men.
xx

I have to say that when I am in chat I will always approach a guy in the same way I would anyone else in there, that is with courtesy, and I expect the same in return. It only takes a few minutes of chat to find out what they are they for but I give them the benefit of the doubt first.

Even if I have to warn them off I can do it 'nicely', and to be honest, most leave without any problems because we aren't the sort of site they are looking for.

Nikki

Okay my question is, 'how does it make a nice normal guy feel when he comes into our world and is blanked or jumped upon by us assuming he is here for sex?'

Nikki

Matt - thankyou for that, I can imagine it could be a little unwelcoming at times. It shouldn't be and everyone who uses the room should try and prevent that.

Keith - Oh dear..........................'she's got have something upstrairs'...........'I always pick the wrong ones'

That's me scuppered then!


Next question, moving on from Anifers...............

If you fall for a pre-op TS and they then decide they are having SRS, does that change the way you feel about them or the way you view them? Would you prefer them to remain pre-op? Is that the attraction? (Initially at least).

Nikki

That's a sneaky answer........................but a good one. You're right of course, it is the person that counts not their genitals, hair colour, or anything else, not if you are looking long term at least.

Anyway, when you started this thread you didn't say anything about easy questions did you?

Nikki

I'm running out of tough questions here...........................

The porn industry standard Tgirls is one that has boobs and is still pre-op. The reality of Tgirls is they are somewhere along the line but they may also have just started out and therefore are as male as you under their clothes so....................(and be honest here).

How would you feel if your girl, once naked, looked as male as you?

Nikki

I promise my next questions will be easier guys.

Chuck, thankyou for becoming involved in this thread. I believe the more men that get involved, the better for us all and maybe we can all be a little more enlightened. I know I have asked some difficult and searching questions and I grateful to you all for offering honest answers.

I am surprised how few girls didn't get involved, since that was the whole point of the thread, for us all to ask the questions, not just me.

Now for some easier questions, as promised. (I have to let you off the hook sometime).

How would you describe your ideal girl and what would be your ideal first date? (btw, It's okay to list physical features here too).

Nikki

How about your friends and work collegues? How many of them, if any, know of your association with Tg people? Would it bother you greatly if they all found out?

Nikki

I need to point out that this thread is repeatedly straying off topic (asking questions). I think that such should be stated and give a link to the NEW thread you are starting to discuss the responses to the questions. Lets keep it to questions and answers here.

Gentlemen, do you think the assumption, by many men who come here, that the women here are seeking sex is based, in part, to the fact that they assume we share a man's libido with them no matter what our plumbing.....a mistake that many gm make about gg's frequently?

Well, it's been a while since I posted a question so let's put this thread back on track..............

Guys, when you are with a TS girl do you prefer them take the proper female role or do you like them to, shall we say, do something different for you?

Nikki

Joelle, isn't that the same treatment that ggs get from gms normally. I have a feeling some gm walking up to a gg in a club and saying "Tell me all about yourself so I can find out if you are my soul mate" would not do as well....despite the fact that ggs all complain about "all guys want is...." Are you sure you are not being treated exactly the way ggs get treated? Just a thought.

Hi David, thankyou for responding to this thread so we can get more viewpoints. It is a long thread which generated a lot of interest and responses which was the whole point.

As far as the attitude in TW goes, well, we aren't a dating site, just a very pleasant community and we try to treat everyone as we would like to be treated ourselves, regardless of their persuasion.

Nikki

Hi Keith, thankyou for that honest and refreshing post. I can't disagree with anything you've said and, clearly, you've spent time examining the issues.

Much love
Rae x

Amazing how so many times the answers are similar. 'TG girls are often more feminine' - That's lovely to hear because we certainly do try to be as feminine as possible. Maybe because we started out on the back foot so to speak we HAVE to make more effort, but it's probably to fair to say that we enjoy it and don't consider it to bea an effort.

For obvious reasons, yes, I think we can connect with guys easily, we've worn those shoes before so we do understand a man better than a GG I guess.

Thankyou for your honesty Keith.

Nikki

Strange Keith, I honstly never realy associasted the term admirer soley with sexual preditory behavour, I believed it to be somone who admired us for what we have achieved, learned along the way and have somthing p[ositive to bring to society as a whole. I have and others have a term for the others TF. Your obviously very erudite, honest and can see you think very honestly
about the questions you have been asked. Attractions are a hard thing to explain, Right my question.

Although you enjoy social discourse and interacting with trans girls, could you ever see yourself falling in love with one and envisage spending the rest of your life with one, wether she be pre-op with no intention of SRS or a post-op, would you be honest enough to introduce them to freinds and family as such?

xxxXXxxx

I agree Lucy, if your aggressive and jump in with both feet, it does'nt give off very good signals for empathy in return, lets not judge everyone at first encounter, The pervs and weirdos and fantatists soon show their true colours. Imagine if Keith had of been subject to the spanish inquisition from the off, we might never have had a true insight to what a realy genuine and sincere person he is.

Sorry to spoil the flow. this is just a test posting which will be deleted shortly. Please don't mind me.

Hugs,

Katie x

Wendy, just a thought, straying off the topic? Questions are asked, answers given, the answers are discussed, whats wrong with that, Its surely not a simple subject that can only be a question and answers thing, I personally have found some of the comments made regarding the answers to be as interesting as the question posed. Why start another thread, on the same subject.. One of the most all encompassing and interesting threads I have ever read here in TW, displaying the honesty and integrity of in general a much maligned and important section of our comunity.