NHS petition

  • May 13, 2005 7:58 AM BST
    OK. I'm well and truly upset with the NHS. There's not a lot I can do about that right now.

    In the meantime though, the one thing I felt I may be able to do is start an online petition (for all the good it may do! - lol)

    Anyway, I spent an hour or two writing it out, and before I say that I'm finished with it, I was hoping for opinions on the petition content in terms of its relevance, accuracy, and content.

    If you have time, could a few people please visit http://www.petitiononline[...]on.html and come back here to tell me what they think. Feel free to sign it if you agree with it.

    Edit: I was inspired to write the petition through my own experiences so far and the knowledge of the uphill battle to come - It pushed me over the edge on the issue. It is however a petition for the improvement of NHS treatment of GID cases.

    A brief summary of my personal frustrations are a few posts down if they are of interest.
  • May 13, 2005 8:16 AM BST
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    May 13, 2005 10:01 AM BST
    Hi Rhia,

    like what you wrote, direct and straight to the point. It may help or it may not but you will never know unless you use it. When its time to sign it, i will be there to sign. Go for hun......hugz JJ xx
  • May 13, 2005 12:10 PM BST
    OK. well with the support of all you girls here (thanks! ), and of my housemate, I think It's probably fine as it is.

    Incidentally, I recieved a letter today I've been waiting two weeks for, which was sent as a result of a phone call I made after waiting two months to hear from my psychiatrist as to funding for a referral to CX. Bearing in mind that I wasn't aware that I was seeing a different psychiatrist untill I made that phone call 2 weeks ago...

    Dear Chris,
    At first I would like to introduce myself to you. I have recently taken over from Dr. Palia and therefore will take over your future management and treatment.

    I have recieved a "not very optimistic" letter from Health Commission Wales, where Dr. Palia had referred you for future treatment. There are a few points to discuss with yourself. I will send you an outpatient appointment at my earliest convenience. Please do not misss the appointment.

    I am hoping to see you soon.

    Yours sincerely,

    Dr *. *************
    Locum Consultant Psychiatrist.

    In all honesty, This new doctor seems in all fairness to be working hard for me, although I'm not going to really know what she's like untill I meet her on Monday (yes. I recieved to appointment today too! talk about short notice!). What bugs me is 1, that I wasn't told this would be happening and had to find out for myself, and 2, This doesn't look promising and after 13 months of being passed from pillar to post, recieving psychotherapy for a period, and cognitive behavioural therapy (supposedly), having my hopes raised and dashed repeatedly.. Well, I'm still no further forward.
  • May 13, 2005 12:13 PM BST
    Oh, and feel free to sign it. The more signatures the better. Tell friends etc if you care to. If there's enough signatures on the petition, it might become useful to all of us. You never know!

    If I can't be optimistic about myself or my prospects, I'll be optimistic about making at least some small impact on this nightmare.
  • May 13, 2005 12:39 PM BST
    Absolutely Shan. If you don't feel that you can sign it for those reasons, I'm certainly not going to hold it against you! lol

    It's the one fits all approach that gets me. Some find it perfectly ok. I'm just one of those it doesn't work for.
  • May 13, 2005 12:56 PM BST
    Hun, So do I!!!!

    *hugs*
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    May 13, 2005 4:47 PM BST
    All signed up Rhia, good luck with it all........hugz Julie xx
  • May 13, 2005 9:03 PM BST
    Yes zigy. I do see your point, but that is the exact sort of prejudice that needs to change, and the petition is aimed at such fundamental change. I don't see it making an incredible impact on its own, but there's always hope, and it's always worth trying.

    Besides, who knows. It might be useful if only as evidence that the problem exists, or perhaps form part of the PFC campaigns arguement or something such as that.

    It is only a strong collective voice that will brng about change though, and I'm sure this is better than nothing, while being a very easy thing for someone to join in with. It only takes a couple of clicks.
  • May 13, 2005 11:29 PM BST
    Indeed ziggy, which is why The petition aims for reform of service provision for the treatment of gender identity disorders/gender dysphoria.

    In fact, the NHS probably discriminates on a lot of issues, but things change one at a time, not all at once.
  • May 16, 2005 5:16 PM BST
    Well, just to brighten my day, I was just told the reason for the "un-optimistic" letter from health commision wales about 30 mins ago.

    Apparently, HCW have refused to fund my referral to CX because "Gender dysphoria is the lowest on our list of priorities".

    I've been run through the mill for 13 months, with the NHS knowing full well that I am just as likely to commit suicide or self-medicate, and all I get for it is advice from my psychiatrist that "when I phoned them about the decision, I was told that you could appeal against it".

    This is not a fair system. Not by any stretch of the imagination.
  • May 19, 2005 12:51 PM BST
    I've told my new shrink about my problems and unlike the last one who didn't seem that interested in them ('why do you keep trying to kill yourself?' 'I hate being me and need SRS.' 'Hows the weather.' Okay so it wasn't that bad but it was borderline.) hes gonna talk more about it next time I see and refer me to specialist which could take a year at least, so I'm currently annoyed at the nhs.

  • June 12, 2005 1:20 PM BST
    Just posted by Christine Burns on Yahoo TS UK ......

    FYI

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Christine Burns" <

    To: "'Press for Change News Distribution'" <fc-news@...>
    Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2005 7:27 PM
    Subject: UK: A Petition About Healthcare in the NHS


    >
    > From Christine Burns...
    >
    > Having taken the opportunity to wax lyrical about the work of two
    > well-established and experienced campaigners today, it seemed like a
    > particularly appropriate opportunity to post news about a very valuable
    > initiative taken by someone whose name has not come to my attention
    > before.
    >
    > Thank you to Christopher Pearse for:
    >
    > http://www.petitiononline[...]on.html
    >
    >
    > Some Background
    > ---------------
    >
    > The general state of medical provision for trans people will not need to
    > be described to most readers. Next to the overall struggle for broader
    > acceptance in society, I'd guess that the controlling and demeaning way
    > in which trans people have traditionally been treated by some medical
    > practitioners is the SECOND most discussed topic when trans people come
    > together anywhere on the planet.
    >
    > Western medicine offers us a system which is at present still founded in
    > a long tradition of pathologising and proscribing difference. This is
    > especially the case within psychiatry. Trans people are not the only
    > minority to have suffered this way in the West. Long after psychiatrists
    > officially gave up stigmatising gay and lesbian people with a mental
    > illness label, there are still many self-agrandising "experts" who would
    > like to put the clock back. And, in our case, there are many who would
    > quite like to keep the clock just where it is.
    >
    > See "Echoes of a Bygone Age",
    > http://www.pfc.org.uk/pfc[...]073.htm
    >
    > Many developments are taking place at the current time. On the heels of
    > the Gender Recognition Act there is actually quite a lot of activity to
    > try and reform UK health provision for trans people in various ways ..
    > from challenging the monopolistic power of the largest GIC to drafting
    > new UK-specific standards of care which everyone can embrace.
    >
    > New Guidelines on Commissioning
    > -------------------------------
    >
    > Earlier this year the Parliamentary Forum on Transsexualism agreed and
    > published its own long awaited guidance for health organisations
    > commissioning treatment services for trans people.
    >
    > See http://www.lynnejones.org[...]sex.htm for more details.
    >
    > These commissioning guidelines are not intended to be a recipe or manual
    > for modern standards of care as such - that will follow later this
    > autumn we hope (see below). However, with the input and support of many
    > of the leading figures in UK trans health care, you CAN look upon the
    > Parliamentary Forum's guidance to the people who make and pay for
    > referrals as an indication of the way in which the wind is blowing.
    > Notice in particular the strong emphasis on concepts such as rights,
    > partnership, autonomy and choice.
    >
    > Work is now underway to promote awareness and adoption of these
    > guidelines. One product of that will be more questionning of the way in
    > which care is structured and provided, and which services can be sourced
    > locally to provide choice and convenience, whilst still achieving
    > joined-up care. YOU can help by ensuring that your own local health
    > hierarchy is aware of this document and uses it to ask overdue questions
    > about spending hundreds of miles away in a service which so many detest.
    >
    > Local Pressure for Change
    > -------------------------
    >
    > On various other fronts there are initiatives to actively encourage
    > local health care trusts to break away from an unthinking reliance on
    > Charing Cross and to design their own approaches to meet local needs.
    > One particularly notable example is in Sussex, where one Primary Care
    > Trust set the ball rolling by commissioning a study .. and (in spite of
    > some high level embarassment about the powerful conclusions) the process
    > is now broadening into a region-wide debate about alternatives.
    >
    > See "Report Criticises Charing Cross" at:
    >
    > http://www.pfc.org.uk/pfc[...]069.htm,
    >
    > followed by the report itself at
    >
    > http://www.pfc.org.uk/med[...]rum.pdf.
    >
    > Other local care trusts are going through similar processes. The
    > challenge for these is to ensure that they evolve into a healthy system
    > of diverse services, and not simply local-funded clones of the same
    > repressive and archaic thinking. Another challenge is to ensure that
    > guidance on the actual approach to care in the UK (so-called "standards
    > of care" or SoC) develops in a way which doesn't inhibit the evolution
    > of different approaches and the acheivement of realistic CHOICE for
    > service users.
    >
    > Standards of Care
    > -----------------
    >
    > Work on standards of care designed specifically for the UK's modern
    > vision of health provision began around two years ago with the formation
    > of a joint committee of the Royal College of Psychiatrists (RCPsych) and
    > the Royal Society of Medicine (RSM). The committee is chaired by Dr
    > Kevan Wylie of the Porterbrook Clinic in Sheffield.
    > (http://www.porterbrookcli[...]org.uk/) and still has a long way to go
    > before getting to something which everyone can endorse. Nevertheless, at
    > present, this is the cutting edge when it comes to the question of
    > whether practitioners simply document what they do at the moment, or can
    > be challenged to think out of the box about how it CAN be done better.
    > This is an area of deep conservatism in some quarters. Others on the
    > committee hold more modern and liberal views about their role and the
    > way they work. But we need to help THOSE friends to help us.
    >
    > Experienced trans campaigners can lobby and in some cases win individual
    > points; however they need a strong mandate to lend power and
    > authenticity to what they say. That is why it is particularly valuable
    > if a significant number of trans people ARE now finding the courage to
    > stand up and denounce the traditional way of controlling rather than
    > caring.
    >
    > Christopher's Petition
    > ----------------------
    >
    > Christopher's petition was actually a surprise from the blue.
    > Communications somehow failed on this occasion .. which is a shame,
    > because we could have done more then to help shape the statement of the
    > petition to maximise its impact and to help us encourage people to
    > support it sooner. Press for Change has the largest mailing list and
    > news forwarding capability of any trans organisation in the UK, and
    > PFC's entire organisational philosophy is about nurturing the
    > campaigning initiatives of people who want to stand up and do their bit,
    > large or small.
    >
    > Some may debate the value of petitions. On their own, petitions are
    > seldom large or powerful enough to create change. Nevertheless they CAN
    > be a good indicator of the strength of feeling about an issue - and
    > that's certainly where this one holds the greatest potential value.
    >
    > Defending the Behemoth
    > ----------------------
    >
    > Charing Cross claims to have recently carried out its own audit of
    > service user satisfaction (partly in response to concerns voiced about
    > James Barrett's unfortunately expressed views). In spite of MP's
    > questions being raised with the Chairman of the West London Mental
    > Health Trust about Dr Barrett's views, the Trust has recently appointed
    > Dr Barrett as the new clinical lead, replacing Professor Richard Green
    > (who is moving now to a part time involvement). In a recent letter to Dr
    > Lynne Jones MP, chair of the Parliamentary Forum, Trust Chair Professor
    > Smidt apologises (in effect) for the fact that Dr Barrett's email came
    > into our hands, rather than for the content and says that,
    >
    > "...Dr Barrett supports patient centred care and
    > patient satisfaction questionnaires have been
    > undertaken by the service"
    >
    > The latter was in fact no surprise. At a recent meeting of Kevan Wylie's
    > SoC committee, Dr Barrett was keen to volunteer news about the Charing
    > Cross patient satisfaction "audit". According to Dr Barrett, all users
    > of the Claybrook Clinic (aka "Charing Cross GIC") had completed a
    > questionnaire and 75% of the responses had given "satisfied" (or higher)
    > ratings to the service. Dr Barrett advised the committee that,
    >
    > "Most discontent was around time taken for funding
    > and then a second discontent over time taken for
    > obtaining funding for surgery. Speech and Language
    > Therapy were rated very highly and one of the
    > suggestions to improve the service was to have
    > refreshments and snacks in the waiting area which
    > the Clinic has followed up."
    >
    > Some might find it strange, therefore, that at the present time (and
    > long before this first ever promotion by the country's largest lobbying
    > group) a petition critical of NHS services (but Charing Cross in
    > particular) should have drawn 100+ signatures.
    >
    > Some of the disparity could be accounted for by the methods used in the
    > Charing Cross audit. Sources say that the questionnaire was distributed
    > by the staff of the clinic itself, who also then received back the
    > completed forms and analysed them. Respondents to the questionnaire
    > could in many cases be identified by their answers, so it was hardly an
    > independent process designed to elicit opinion from critics.
    >
    > In politics, of course, people just remember the headlines. "75%
    > satisfied with our service" sounds good to outside observers and peers.
    > Do 100 signatures saying something different in a petition alter that?
    >
    > The Importance of Speaking Out
    > ------------------------------
    >
    > History teaches that bad things happen when people are afraid to speak
    > up. This certainly seems to have been the case with the treatment of
    > transsexual people, where methods and medical attitudes have changed
    > very little in 40-50 years. Once those methods could have been defended
    > as necessary in a world that was generally very hostile towards us. The
    > world has changed, but some practitioners behave as though it hasn't;
    > instead they cling on to ways of thinking about and controlling
    > transsexual people as though it were still 1955 rather than 2005. And
    > that's the way it will continue unless people begin to change it by
    > voicing their feelings.
    >
    > One hundred signatures sounds impressive. Unfortunately, even in a
    > community of just 5-6,000 people it isn't enough. Charing Cross boasts a
    > case load of 600 service users at any one time. 1 in 6 complaining is
    > therefore no more significant than the results of James Barrett's own
    > internal poll .. less so, in fact.
    >
    > Charing Cross is developing a take it or leave it attitude these days
    > too. Richard Green certainly stunned me this week when he said that he
    > wasn't bothered if people went elsewhere because the clinic is happy
    > enough with the 600 clients it has got.
    >
    > So, the opportunity is in your hands. If you agree with the broader
    > statement of Christopher Pearse's petition then, by signing it, you
    > signify the extent to which trans people in the UK are dissatisfied in
    > general with the quality and choice of services made availble to them
    > through the NHS.
    >
    > One hundred points to a problem. Five hundred (10% of the community)
    > suggests some sort of crisis. How many signatures make this a scandal?
    > You decide.
    >
    > The petition will be found at
    > http://www.petitiononline[...]on.html
    >
    >
    > Christine Burns
    > Trans Rights Campaigner and Educator
    > http://www.pfc.org.uk/cam[...]rns.htm
    >
    >
    >
  • June 20, 2005 2:41 AM BST
    Yes, I noted that Dr. Russel Reid signed it. I must admit I'm amazed. So amazed that I checked the admin records of the petition, t see if he left an email address, and he did. I migh just have to send an email to see if I can somehow confirm it was him (lets face it, while many people absolutely love him and a few not so much so, everyone still has to admit that there's a certain irony to such a signature, even if with the best of intentions), just to make sure.

    I have to be honest, back at about 102 signatures I thought it had stalled, but now I'm just amazed! That Target that Christine Burns cited of 500 isn't really all that far away now!

    Also, I can't believe how many proffesionals have signed it. I was expecting mainly trans people, but theres a large number of phd's, Ba's, Doctors, nurses and councellors to. I really am amazed, and it couldn't be better really.

    If this keeps going, it may be enough to proove the point at the very least, which would be useful to campaigners for sure, as would some of the very intelligent and heartfelt comments made.

    When I emailed PFC on the 19th of may I didn't get a responce, and so I guess my mail was lost either in the ether or in the jaws of a spam filter. I've tried again once with the same result. Maybe I should try emailing Christine Burns directlyto show my appreciation and talk about it with her?
  • June 21, 2005 9:29 PM BST
    Indeed I shall ziggy. As it happens, I've just yesterday had a conversation with my GP about the possibility of a 'shared care' arrangement with a private psychiatrist. I need to see him again tomorrow, and as soon as I know that I would be able to afford a prescription should I be given one, I shall call you.

    sorry about the delay, but I've been desperately trying to get over this last depressive phase and put myself in a little bit more order that I was in.
    • 1652 posts
    May 13, 2005 11:33 AM BST
    Just let me know when I can sign it!
    Well done babe, looks good to me.
    xx
    • 1652 posts
    June 19, 2005 8:18 PM BST
    I have heard it rumoured that Dr. Russel Reid has signed your petition, Rhia!
    xx