Forum » Gender Society Public Forums » Polly Ticks » THE ON-GOING WAR AGAINST TERRORISM.

THE ON-GOING WAR AGAINST TERRORISM.

Tags : None
  • A QUESTION ABOUT THE ON-GOING WAR AGAINST TERRORISM.

    22/7/46. Zionist guerrillas bomb British HQ.
    17/11/46. Jewish terrorists kill 8 British soldiers.
    2/3/47. Martial law for Jews in Palestine.
    24/4/47. Barracks blown up by Jews in Tel Aviv.
    4/5/47. Zionists blast open prison: 251 freed.
    18/7/47. British keep out "EXODUS 47".(Ship carrying Jewish refugees).
    31/7/47. Zionists hang kidnapped British soldiers.
    26/9/47. Britain ready to leave Palestine.
    14/5/48. Arab forces muster as new state of Israel is born.

    24/851. Kenyan police fear growth of Mau Mau.
    24/8/52. Curfew for Kenyans as police fight Mau Mau.
    21/10/52. UK gets tough with Mau Mau.
    18/12/52. Jomo Kenyatta is charged with being head of Mau Mau.
    26/1/53. Whites panic as Mau Mau uprising grows.
    8/4/53. Mau Mau leader Kenyatta is jailed.
    9/3/54. Mass surrender of Mau Mau is sought.
    24/4/54. Big drive on Mau Mau.
    19/1/55. Mau Mau amnesty infuriates whites.
    28/7/59. Commons uproar at Kenya death camps.
    21/8/61. Kenyatta released from British custody.
    12/12/64. Kenya becomes a republic under Kenyatta.

    18/12/54. British bars stoned by rioters in Cyprus.
    30/6/55. Arms siezed in raid on HQ of Cypriot nationalists.
    30/9/55. General strike in Cyprus.
    28/11/55. State of alert in Cyprus.
    12/1/56. More British troops sent to Cyprus.
    29/2/56. Bombings mark new Cyprus impasse.
    9/3/56. British deport (Archbishop) Makarios.
    25/3/56. Cyprus governor spends night on a bomb.
    25/5/56. Large reward offered for capture of Greek-Cypriot terrorist (Colonel George Grivas).
    212/7/56. New constitution planned for Cyprus.
    27/9/56. British Cyprus troops in toffee tin blast.
    20/3/57. Greece rejects new Cyprus peace plane.
    28/1/58. 100 Turks hurt and 2 killed in ant-British riots in Cyprus.
    2/10/58. EOKA renews its violent campaign.
    23/2/59. Peace deal is hammered out in Cyprus.
    14/12/59. (Archbishop) Makarios is new president of Cyprus.

    If you know the question and the answer, what do you conclude?



    Metempsychosis.
      July 12, 2005 4:13 PM BST
    0
  • Any chance of a clue?
      July 12, 2005 7:01 PM BST
    0
  • Not yet love.
    Metempsychosis.
      July 12, 2005 7:16 PM BST
    0
  • Firstly it was cut and run,
    Then a small war barely won,
    The 3rd it ended at the table,
    Good friends were we,
    Or was it all a fable?

    Expand Ziggy?
    Metempsychosis.
      July 12, 2005 7:30 PM BST
    0
  • So are you suggesting that you give into the muslim terrorists and everyone should convert to Islam? Thats what its wounding like.
      July 12, 2005 7:58 PM BST
    0
  • Ziggy
    I was not specifically talking to you ....
    Just that the point of this thread seems to be leading up to that.
      July 12, 2005 8:12 PM BST
    0
  • Sandi and Ziggy, I fear that your replys are not showing on my page.
    Metempsychosis.
      July 12, 2005 8:33 PM BST
    0
  • Not to mention the use and abuse of Afghanistan during the cold war by both the US and the USSR, thus giving rise to Al-qaeda and the taliban, which gave rise to 9/11, which gave rise to the "war on terror", which in turn gave rise to the attack on London.

    Nor the forced "redrawing" of the middle east map by the British after 1917 and the subsequest occupation of Iraq, followed by the installation of west-friendly dictators by the US AND the UK, ending with Saddam hussein, which gave rise to his atrocious treatment of the people of Iraq, which gave rise to the rebellion which the US promised they would support but didn't, which gave rise to Saddams use of chemical weapons on those people, which gave rise to re-percussions from the international community which gave rise to Husseins stubborn and COMPLETELY anti-west stance, which indirectly gave rise to the first Gulf War, which gave rise to <snip> (you get the idea)... and in turn the second gulf war, etc etc.

    Nor the brutal treatment of the native people of India while colonised by the commonwealth...

    Nor the forcible destruction of the Palistinian state, and the forcible creation of the Israeli state, against the will of the Arab world and without their consent.

    Let us not forget all the people used and trained by the UK and US to further their own greedy needs, while it suited - not least of which is Osama Bin Laden - whose family still own large swathes of US corporate interests.

    ... it goes on and on.

    Despite what the people up high try to say (they are the ones benefiting from the chaos in the world today), Islamic terrorism isn't about converting everyone to Islam, and isn't about destroying democracy or freedom (islamic terrorists don't see the west as free. They see the west as a facist controlling power, whose population are slaves to the 8 hour working day and commercialism).

    I despise terrorists, and I despise their methods, but I'm not blind to why they are doing it.

    Creating more terrorists isn't really a good way to stop terrorism. Giving in won't stop it either.

    What would stop terrorism would be to stop treating the arab people as a bunch of third or fourth rate expendable pieces of crap, and to apologise for the past wrongs that we have commited (and I mean sincerely - which means that we have to try to go some way to setting our wrongs right!). All that's happening at the moment, is that 16 year old boys and girls are seeing cities like falluja being reduced to rubble and innocent people killed, and so taking up arms against the people doing it. Both sides at the moment are as bad as each other in terms of fighting, and it's only getting worse.

    I'm not for giving in, and I'm not for fighting either. I'm all for putting and end to the killing, and doing right by our past (and some current!) wrongs. Those people that right now are taking arms against us may well then turn around ad take issue with them instead.
      July 12, 2005 8:43 PM BST
    0
  • So many have fallen, in so many lands, and the behest of so many, for causes the believed in....

    all governments say they won't talk to terrorists, they spend years finding ways to call them other than terrorist so they can talk to them.

    understand them, step one has to be to understand these people.

    step two is to avoid judging others by our own standards, the whole world isn't California (appologies to our Americans, but you know what I mean, everywheres the same).

    Every time people have gone to war without understanding their opponents they have failed, people who start wars tend to loose. the difference these days in in who started it and why, there is hope, there is always hope.

    so the wind reap the whirlwind, how soon people forget.
    Claire Rand email : [email protected] Yahoo : clair_rand -- Its not so much that I have issues as the case that I have a subscription... [url]http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AuntIsobels[/url]
      July 12, 2005 9:04 PM BST
    0
  • Clair, Rhia, found you at last! And what need I say except ask another question; which of those named countries is now a leader in the "war against terroism"? During WW2, in North Africa, there was a saying; "if you run over a "wog" and the "wog" was still alive, then put the vehicle in reverse and finish the job", because it was cheaper to bury the "wog", than to heal the injuries. Does anyone not think that the "wogs" would forget this and every other humiliation heaped upon them? And when the time was ripe they would start to hit back? Also I find it somewhat ironical that the driver of "the Bus" is a Greek Cypriot. Now before anyone says I have no feeling for the victims of last weeks's outrage, and seem to favour Islam I don't just feel for them, but I also feel for the ordinary people in Iraq, I feel for the two NCOs who were kidnapped by Jewish terrotists, executed, and their booby-trapped bodies hung in a eucalyptus orchard. I know that because, at the time,I saw A picture of the scene in the Picture Post.
    Metempsychosis.
      July 12, 2005 9:59 PM BST
    0
  • No Sari, I do not advocate "giving In", I merely wish to point out the utter futility of it all. The language used against those countries mentioned is no different from that used today, and ultimately the end result will be the same. Someone somewhere will have to sit down and talk, but between now and then it will be more lives lost, more treasure expended.
    Metempsychosis.
      July 12, 2005 10:09 PM BST
    0
  • I didn't know about that saying! Still, given that wog stands for Western ORIENTAL gentleman (the implication of which is that a wog is not a FULL gentleman, but something else instead), it just goes to demonstrate the bigotry and arrogance. How many oriental people are you likely to find in Africa? lol
      July 12, 2005 10:18 PM BST
    0
  • I know this Rhia because our elder brothers, who served there boasted about it. By the way it is "Worthy Oriental Gentlemen".
    (Actually my elder brother fought into Germany.)
    Metempsychosis.
      July 12, 2005 10:27 PM BST
    0
  • With this kind of thinking I cannot sit back and relax while feeling sorry for them... they would not think twice about us.
    Looks more and more like the Crusades 2005.

    GLOBAL JIHAD
    Muslim scholar: Killing civilians OK
    Head of Islamic center in London responds to attack

    Posted: July 12, 2005
    10 a.m. Eastern
    © 2005 WorldNetDaily.com
    Hani Al-Siba'i
    Responding to questions about the terrorist attack on London, a Muslim scholar in the British capital asserted Islam makes no distinction between civilians and military targets.
    "The term 'civilians' does not exist in Islamic religious law," said Hani Al-Siba'i, head of the Al-Maqreze Centre for Historical Studies in London.
    Al-Siba'i, in an interview with the Arab news channel al-Jazeera, elaborated, "There is no such term as 'civilians' in the modern Western sense. People are either of Dar Al-Harb or not."
      July 13, 2005 1:05 AM BST
    0
  • "Crusade 2005", Sandi. If this is an allusion to the events of the 11th, 12th, and 13th centuries, then perhaps you might tell me why, prior to 1095AD, when Christian pilgrims were free to travel to Jerusalem to worship, and were given to protection to do so by Islam, Pope Urban 2 would wish to secure "free access for pilgrims to Jerusalem" when they already had same? Sound familiar?

    This isn't me expressing support for Islam, indeed I consider their religious views to be quite abhorrant, as I do the views of all main-stream religions, it is simply history.

    Metempsychosis.
      July 13, 2005 7:00 AM BST
    0
  • ...those civillians (Killed-Sic) were in Kenya and cyprus, not in London and New york. Now THAT really does crack me up.
    Metempsychosis.
      July 13, 2005 7:55 AM BST
    0
  • Their overall objective is to stop western governments ruining their lives - as they have done since the Crusades. By the way, just to let you know, while Islam may well not see the concept of civilians in the same way the west does, Islam (certainly in the UK) does NOT see these terrorists as true muslims either. What they follow is a corrupt version of it, in much the same way that the catholic church has historically used a corrupt version of christianity to kill and terrorise millions.

    Nobody feels sorry for the terrorists. There's a big difference between understanding them and feeling sorry for them. However, making more of them is not the option. I'm not even suggesting that we sit at a table with them and negotiate.

    Western governments know all too well what they've done to create this situation over the years - but none of them want to put the money and efort into correcting their wrongs. If they did, islamic terrorism wouldn't have a leg to stand on.
      July 13, 2005 12:42 PM BST
    0
  • Well said, Rhia. Now, can anyone tell me why, in the U.S.A. especially, much is made of the September 11, 2001, attack on the twin towers...Horrific as that was...An attack by Islamic terrorists on innocent people, yet there is never any mention of the Oklahoma bombing...Horrific as that was...An attack by American terrorists on innocent people?
    Metempsychosis.
      July 13, 2005 1:03 PM BST
    0
  • Jill.
    1) I don't see anything that is "amusing" in your observations.
    2) If EOKA and the MAU MAU were fighting an occupying power, then what are the Iraqi insurgents fighting?
    3) Whatever you say about April, 1995, it was still an act by "AMERICAN TERRORISTS", and, if it isn't "NEW", then where does that place September, 2001?
    4) I do grasp your point, but do you grasp mine?
    5) My point is that there appear to be 4 options.
    1) Ignore.
    2) Cut and run (Israel).
    3) Fight and win (Kenya).
    4) Negotiate (Cyprus).
    Whichever, the result is still the same. Our enemies ALL became our friends. This isn't me surrendering to extremism, or agreeing with the aims of the bombers,etc. It is historical fact, so sooner rather than later is my view.
    Metempsychosis.
      July 14, 2005 8:01 AM BST
    0
  • Yes I see you points.

    "2) If EOKA and the MAU MAU were fighting an occupying power, then what are the Iraqi insurgents fighting? "

    As it appears now they are going after soft targets, like yesterday when they set off a bomb, blowing up a group of children that were given candy by the US Army

    "3) Whatever you say about April, 1995, it was still an act by "AMERICAN TERRORISTS", and, if it isn't "NEW", then where does that place September, 2001? "

    You don't hear anything aboout Oklahoma because it is a closed case, not so with 9-11.

    "4) I do grasp your point, but do you grasp mine? "

    Yes its called surrender

    "5) My point is that there appear to be 4 options.

    Whichever, the result is still the same. Our enemies ALL became our friends."

    Unfortunetly this is a totally different fight. THe terrorist are not a country. They are not demanding anything other than converting everyone in the world to their brand of Islum.

    "This isn't me surrendering to extremism, or agreeing with the aims of the bombers,etc. It is historical fact, so sooner rather than later is my view."

    So I hope you as a women enjoy burkas and don't mind being a second class citizen or worse just thought to be someones property, because that is what would happen.

      July 14, 2005 1:33 PM BST
    0
  • Sandi. May I draw your attention to 2 of my previous posts.
    1)"I do not advocate giving in...".
    2)The last paragraph of "Crusade 2005".
    As for April-1995, being a done deal, so is the battle of Yorktown, but it still gets a mention now and then.

    The following is a slightly re-worded piece I did on another subject, with some additions, and I repeat it because it may go some way towards explaining why we see these things differently.

    Some of my earliest youth was spent in an air-raid shelter anxiously listening to the sound of the approaching bomb-laden Dorniers. I well remember my Mum holding me and screaming "it's going to hit us!"...It didn't, but the nearby public convenience was never re-built...And then the relief at the sound of the all-clear sirens. Incidentally, our family shelter had 3 feet of water in it, so if the bombs didn't get you, then death by drowning was always on the cards... When I was 18, Like thousands of others, I had no option but to take the Queen's shilling...Being national servicemen we didn't actually get it, and believe me, that "bob" would have come in useful. Anyway, I went to Germany, just 3 miles down the road from Belsen, which I have already mentioned elsewhere. These and other events in my long life have shown me the utterly pointless futility of hatred and intolerence among the the many base emotions with which we humans forever seek to saddle ourselves. I am well aware that, with my views, I probably wouldn't last 5 minutes in either the middle east or, for example, middle America, or southern Baptist land, and my proclivity for dressing as a lady would certainly have got me burned 300 years ago in my own country, and maybe the same in present-day middle east, middle America, etc., but that's me folks.

    one final thing Sandi, I do not, for one moment, assume that your life has not had it's moments of fear, sadness, terror, et al. Nor would I want to change your opinions - indeed I am one of those plonkers who will always be there to support you, as I hope you will support me, if the chips are down, but I still say
    the best way forward is "jaw-jaw not war-war" (Winston Chuchill -
    Colonel-in-chief of the of the 4th Queen's Own Hussars - my regiment).
    Metempsychosis.
      July 14, 2005 4:01 PM BST
    0
  • Elly
    I know you said that you do not advocte giving in to the terrorist, however the last part of the post implied that we should.
    Like I said before... previous groups wanted something specific,
    whether it was a land grab or political recognition. Some sort of compromise could be worked out around a conference table. Even
    if it took some bombings and shootings to get people to the table.
    The current crop of Islamic terrorist have only one thing on their mind and that is the total destruction of wester culture as we know it. There is no bargaining or a reachable compromise to be worked out.
    I was drafted into the army and know war is the last place anyone wants to be. However there are times where wars must be fought to maintain our way of life...and make no mistake thats what this is about.
    I take great offense with your statement "I probably wouldn't last 5 minutes in either the middle east or, for example, middle America..........
    Have you ever been here? Typical stereo typing.. You are actually comparing Middle America with the middle east? I think this statement exposes your paranoria. From my experience you are safer in Middle America than you are in the liberal big cities... just take a look at the crime statistics .
    I believe in free speech and again I will defend your right to say what you think but I don't have to agree with it.
      July 14, 2005 5:46 PM BST
    0
  • well sandi, I have just posted a real old humdinger of a diatribe against you and your country, something to really get your knickers in a twist, but I can't find the sodding thing anywhere, knowing my expertise it's probably ended up in British West Hartlepools! Anyway if it turns up will you let me know, or else I will have to repeat it.
    Much Love, Elly. XXXX
    Metempsychosis.
      July 14, 2005 9:03 PM BST
    0
  • Well Sandi, I was going to give you a few home truths about your country and offend you even more, but why?, that makes me no better than.......'though the option is there if you wish? Suffice to say that you do not seem to have the faintest idea about that which you speak of. This may be to do with the fact
    that yours is either a sychophantic media...eg. Sky News, which as no interest in telling you good people anything even resembeling the truth, or a cowed media terrified of losing their corporate sponsorship if they speak out of turn...Mr Blumenthal's words, not mine.

    I can't resist this one though. Since your countries occupation of Iraq began, 8 billion dollars, that's correct, 8 billion dollars of Iraqi money, given into the care of Mr Bremer, has disappeared, with most of it going into the coffers of U.S. companies, and then, some of it, into the coffers of the Republican party.
    But that's "freedom fries" for you.

    Jill. You have expressed a wish to know that which the "terrorists" want, and why?

    The sad fact is that they want to see the back of you, because they, and I fear, a large section of this world's population hate you and everything that you purport to represent. I can, if you wish expand on this, 'though it would not give me any satisfaction to do so. And, before Sandi chimes in, I am not one of that number.

    Finally, I will end this posting as I began it, with a question.


    Which Central Asian MOSLEM dictator, with a penchant for boiling his opponents alive, is currently being propped up by your military, and why?

    If you can answer that, then you might begin to realise why much
    of our benighted planet does not see you as the "good guys".
    Metempsychosis.
      July 15, 2005 2:52 PM BST
    0
  • the current war on terrorism is a scam.. perpetuated on the peoples of the world for one simple goal. CONTROL..

    a sypmtom of a male driven world.

    and i do mean SCAM.. the socalled "terrorists" are nothing more than a american bought, trained and controlled radicals with only the plans OUR goverment has given them.

    and id hate to be called a conspiracy nut, but the "terror" attacks that have been shoved down our throats is nothing more than the elaborate plan of the US goverment to gain more control of the normal peoples through the so called "security" delusion.

    twa800, oklahoma city, the first WTC attack and the last WTC attack were all disgusting and deliberate attacks of the US goverment on our"freedoms"
    and i worry that even the madrid and london attacks were an extension of their fanatical ideology..

    btw it has been proven several times that demolition expolsives were used on all the buildings..

    a very interesting link with lots of documentaries
    http://www.heartbone.com/various/RedPillVideos.html

    take care
    kyli

    ben franklin once said "They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security"
      July 16, 2005 4:58 AM BST
    0