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Does Flat to Fem system work?

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  • Hi Girls,

    Just wondering if anyone has tried the Flat to Fem system and if it worked for them???
    I'm a little unsure about paying for it if it doesn't work as i am heading to the UK for a holiday in a few months and need as much cash as possible for the holiday.

    Hugz
    Simone
      October 8, 2007 8:49 AM BST
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    I haven’t tried it but I know all about it and I am confident about my answer to your question, which is a resounding NO.
    It is sheer quackery.
    If you wish to grow breasts, you need to seriously research, and then follow a regime of female hormone therapy. Some say being post-op helps, as I’m now 20 days post-op I hope so!
    If you want to imagine you are growing breasts, and wish to throw away lots of money, then try this system, or maybe have hypnotherapy, or eat soy bean and yam sandwiches for breakfast, or better still give me your money and I will tell you that your breasts are growing…
    The cheapest and most effective way to grow breasts is by taking estradiol, a fraction of the cost of herbal “substitutes” and hundreds or thousands of times the strength and efficacy.
    Do you really want to grow breasts or do you just want to pretend to, or play around a bit? It is a serious, life-changing decision. If you don’t wish to live as female full-time then for god’s sake just buy a gel bra, some of them look great.
    xx
      October 18, 2007 7:43 AM BST
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  • Welcome back

    Hugs

    Joanne
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      October 18, 2007 8:04 AM BST
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  • I totaly agree with Lucy . Keep to the hornones
    hugs Mandy
      October 23, 2007 5:15 PM BST
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  • Herbs can do you much more harm than hormones ever if you use them in the amount needed for even any results.

    Laura
      October 25, 2007 5:33 AM BST
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  • Thank you Ladies,
    i thought as much, hence why i posted the question here before wasting any money

    Hugs
    Simone
      October 31, 2007 7:45 AM GMT
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  • ......one look at the pictures on that website is enough.There is nothing there that you couldn't get on a diet of beer and fast food!Basically,just flab.

    lol
    Lynn H.
    "It ain't what you do,it's the way that you do it............and that's what gets results!"
      April 18, 2008 1:54 PM BST
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  • On the other hand lots of people do grow breasts with herbals..including me..but not big enough to give the essential female shape...but big enough to get hassle form workmates...so herbals might be a safer practice than hormones...as ever it all depends on the person.
      April 18, 2008 8:35 PM BST
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  • Hi, all--

    I was on an herbal regimen for a while and found I did have some moderate success with herbs. However, I found I had better success with hormones. Thought processes changed, body fat shifted where it belonged, and so forth.

    I recommend you try herbs before hormones, if you must experiment at all.

    Luv 'n hugs,

    Mina Sakura
    "Almost-Angel, Girl Genius, and Ultra-Flirt"
    Living as the woman I am!
      April 23, 2008 12:08 AM BST
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  • Actually the newest herb pueraria mirifica is pretty darn powerful its like 1000 times stronger the red clover and 3000 times stronger then black cohosh. It's bioidentical to estrogen and when used in conjuction with natural progesterone creams from any health food store can really held develop you - I know thats all I have used. Years ago and thousands of posts in forums like this had me belivieving the same as you girls that herbs were very weak but pueraria seems to be the exception to the rule and is almost on par with hormones.

    I can send pics of my progress to whoever is interested just ask - new here so I don't know if I can post here as my chest actually has nice little breasts now.
      November 16, 2009 4:45 PM GMT
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  • Janice, first off welcome to TW.

    As for pueraria mirifica, please supply real documentation that these herbs do as you suggest. Also if these herbs are bioidentical to estrogen, then show the side-effects because estrogen does have side-effects. Maybe I should also point out that being bioidentical to estrogen is meaningless because there are numerous forms of estrogen with most being too weak to cause significant change beyond emptying out ones bank account. You will likely find no medical data on the safety or effectiveness of these herbs, instead you will find claims from everyone and their brother who sell the stuff. Safety is the primary concern here and that is why we do not promote or make recommendations on products or dosages here at TW. Feel free to suggest where others can get documentation to aid them in making a proper choice.

    Hugs,
    Marsha



      November 16, 2009 6:03 PM GMT
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  • I'm the last person realy to contribute to the hormones threads, I take proffessional help and prescriptions supplied on advice from my endo.


    But, I do know a little about this particular plant derivitives. Pueraria Mirifica, Pueraria Tuberosa.

    It is an indemic plant from Northern Thailand, The products described are derived from the tuberous roots and there are two main varieties,

    The red root, which is crushed and stewed to make a tea, taken by Men in the belief that it enhances their libido and the size of their manhood. Contains high levels of aldosterone.


    The other type is that of the white root containing high levels of Phytoestrogen can be highly carcegenic acelerating cancer. Reference Cornel University studies.

    If you are ever inquisitive, not sure. do some research if it does'nt show side effects and only promotes the good sides, leave well alone.

    Wikepedia states the claims are exagerated and unsubstantiated even they are asking for recognised trusted sources for verification

    Perhaps Marsha or Lucy can tell me what (estrogenic phenol miroestrol) is

    This link is quite old, but is as good today as it was when it was first put together
    http://www.looking-glass.[...]cal.htm




    Cristine xxXxx
    Cristine Jennifer Shye.  B/L.  B/Acc
      November 16, 2009 6:51 PM GMT
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  • I am not a wiz at chemistry Cris but I think I can give it a pretty good shot.

    All estrogenic means is "like" estrogen
    Phenol is carbolic acid, similar to alcohol
    And Miroestrol is just the specific chemical from Pueraria mirifica that is "estrogenic"

    So put together it just means an acidic subtance from Pueraria mirifica that has estrogenic properties. Basically phytoestrogen. So it is not bio-identical to human estrogen, but instead mimics estrogen.

    Here is another way to express the validity of this plant.
    http://www.ftc.gov/os/200[...]cmp.pdf
    That is a link for the Federal Trade Commission going after a company that sells this herb in the U.S. to substantiate their claims.

    What is amazing about this stuff is it is also sold to enhance a males sex organ. Pretty cool stuff apparently since it works however the user wants. Sounds like it would be great for SHEMALES, lol.
    http://prosolutionmaleenh[...]-online

    More likely the cause of any breast growth was the progesterone cream but let me point out that too much progesterone is carcinogenic, causes cancer for those unfamiliar with the term.

    Hugs,
    Marsha
      November 16, 2009 9:50 PM GMT
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    Janice, welcome. Obviously.
    Please don't think me prudish but can I just enquire whether your profile pic is suitable family viewing? Whilst I'm interested in peoples progress and would like to see photo results, I believe they are primarily kept in the members enclosure and not where the general public can peruse them...
    Just a thought hunni.

    x
    www.raekelcou.com
      November 16, 2009 11:10 PM GMT
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    Due to issues we have had in the past surrounding discussions of a particular herb, future discussions of this non-hormonal product will not be allowed in the hormone forum.
    I have hidden the last few posts on the subject, sorry for any inconvenience.
    xx
      November 17, 2009 12:15 PM GMT
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  • Lucy,

    Why? I thought your post and Marshas was indicative to giving good advice, herbal products, the termt is still mentioned in the opening post. surely the pros and cons, should all be open to debate, People being made aware of unsubstantiated claims in all fairness, even if its only a warning, buyer beware, to read and research an individual product.

    xxXxx Cristine
    Cristine Jennifer Shye.  B/L.  B/Acc
      November 17, 2009 12:23 PM GMT
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    I have my reasons Cris. The moderators discussed this at length at the time.
    This thread is about the Flat to Fem system, no posts have been hidden on this subject, and I hope those of us with an educated opinion about it have got our message across.
    The last few posts were about a different product.
    Questions about herbal alternatives will always be asked, and hopefully answered. Recommendations for certain non-hormone products in the hormone forum will not go down well with the moderators.
    xx
      November 17, 2009 12:37 PM GMT
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  • Sorry Lucy, I am confused, I was certainly NOT recommending them, I was trying to point out out that, this particular product is advertised with no mention or warnings of side effects and the only valid counter claim and warning came from studies at Cornell University. I still maintain that products like this should carry factual and legitimate explanations of what they are, do, warning of any detrimental effects using these products may cause.

    Yet several people have expounded their experiences saying they had success with herbals, surely that is all encompassing, lumping all of them together.

    I think one is morally bound to say somthing if they discover somthing that has been mentioned and they are not conversant with relevant information that is availabel

    Even deleted or rather hid, my link to a well researched article and guide to transitioning with all the explantations of relevent matters, hormoes, hair removal, GRS, etc.

    Cristine xxXxx
    Cristine Jennifer Shye.  B/L.  B/Acc
      November 17, 2009 12:52 PM GMT
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    Cristine, sorry for any confusion, and I understand how frustrating it is when you spend time writing a post only for it to be hidden.
    I am not suggesting that you are recommending anything. Someone else recommended a particular product, off-topic to this thread, which for very valid “other” reasons is taboo in our hormone forums. Other posts about it ensued, they have all been hidden. Sorry. If you need to know more please contact me privately.
    Your link is a very useful resource, so here it is:
    http://www.looking-glass.[...]cal.htm
    xx
      November 17, 2009 1:03 PM GMT
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  • I understand 100% now, thankyou and your action is wholeheartedly supported.

    Cristine
    Cristine Jennifer Shye.  B/L.  B/Acc
      November 17, 2009 1:52 PM GMT
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  • but i found pepermint oil really good for warts and unblocking drains.
    Just an ordinary girl finding her way in this strange life. - What will it take to get everyone to realise that everyone else is also a human being that deserves just as much respect? - How does someone tell their doctor they have hippopotomonstrosesquippedaliophobia? - When I was a student I specialised in Alcopology. It always starts with Alco and always ends with pology. - Waiter! There's a hare in my rabbit pie!
      November 17, 2009 4:42 PM GMT
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  • I will have another go, not mentioning any brand names or particular products, This is only my personal opinion/experience, and should not be taken personally by anyone on this site. But I am aware that people join lots of sites, out of a self interest basis to soley promote products they are involved with. Anyone heard the term Pyramid selling?

    Put it this way, you buy eye liner, make up, from a reputable source, you know its been tested and evaluated, safe in the knowledge that its safe to use, if its endorsed for sensative skin, then you know the risks. common sense should tell anyone before buying medicines or using prescriptive drugs to read the instructions and take note of any possible side effects, if they don't have instructions or warnings, does'nt that make you a bit suspicous, anything you take in the way of herbal remedies, do some research, ie. Bella Donna could be described as a perfect lasting remedy for narcolepsy.

    Cristine
    Cristine Jennifer Shye.  B/L.  B/Acc
      November 17, 2009 5:53 PM GMT
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  • I've been wanting to reply to Cristine's post for awhile now but was a little unsure how to word things because of the way the last batch of posts were hidden.

    After rereading Cristine's post once again this morning the answer came to me. Just so everyone understands how I interpreted her post so there is no confusion, as I understand it Cristine is saying when everything else we buy comes with some form of history or documentation, then why would someone choose to put something into their body that comes with none?

    The answer is simple. It is FEAR. The same fear that causes someone to buy the overpriced merchandise from a seller that labels their products "For Crossdressers" or something similar. It is the fear of discovery. The assumption that these people will keep your secret a secret. God forbid you go to your general practitioner or a licensed psychologist, the word might get out and then what? Or maybe they might think you are crazy.

    Then of course the fear that the real stuff just might work too well, just like it is suppose to. Maybe the TG just wants boobs, you know, just something to maybe make things look a little more real when dressed, but once again, God forbid they work too well and people notice. I think maybe we do that to buy time while we wrestle with how are we going to tell our friends and loved ones what is going on with us. In some cases you can say it is "Just testing the waters." However in other cases, it is clear some are just wannabees. In my opinion you don't "wannabee" a transsexual, instead if you are one, you find a legitimate way to live with it.

    The argument that the pharmaceutical companies don't want us to know that herbs work because they can't make money off of it is a ludicrous idea. The pharmaceutical companies are chemical companies and are in a far better position to manufacture and market herbs better than these fly by night internet sites. The difference is simple, the pharmaceutical companies have a reputation of quality and effectiveness to maintain, SuperMagicalHerbs.com can just change it's name when negative info becomes overwhelming.

    Hugs,
    Marsha

      November 23, 2009 5:46 PM GMT
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  • Marsha, Great thinking.

    I never even thought that way, my knowledge is limited to one or two branded products and their reputedly, posibly adverse side effects and scientificaly unproved benefeits.

    But as you say logically if they were that good, a long established reputation for excellent and positive results, The major pharmesutical companies would be all over these products, cheaper to manufacture, less research and production costs,
    bigger returns and profits, every shareholder would have their own little hot house turning them out by the bale load.

    Lets face it when it comes to turning a quick buck these companies are not know for being slow to take advantage of the magic bean theory.

    Cristine xxXxx
    Cristine Jennifer Shye.  B/L.  B/Acc
      November 23, 2009 7:58 PM GMT
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  • Marsha

    I agree, everything you said made sense.

    I would like to comment on your 'wannabee' statement. Yes, if you are a transsexual you will find a way to live with it, and make the transition happen. However not everyone has an epiphany when they children that they are truly a girl, some of us are such a blend of pink and blue that we find it hard to choose one over the other. I admit there have been times I have looked for ways to tip the balance one way or the other and ‘playing’ with the herbals was a way I attempted to alter that balance. It didn’t work, physically, emotionally, or mentally – soooo I may not be a transsexual but I am definitely trans something. Ohhh maybe PAN would be better than trans, a union not blue or pink but maybe blink? – well something.

    Anyway, back to the original thread – I agree with you, I don’t think the herbals would be strong enough to make a guarantied change without getting into dosages that are unhealthy or even dangerous.

    $0.02

    Jeri
    Jeri Elaine “A woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle.” - Irina Dunn, 1970 Indecision is the key to flexibility. - unknown
      November 24, 2009 3:14 AM GMT
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