Hi, I have been to my GP and am currently seeing a local NHS counsellor after being referred! I have talked at length with him about starting HRT, and all I keep being told is that I have to follow the strict rules to be refered to Charing Cross, ie: RLE for a year before I can be referred, changing my name by deed poll, etc etc. which i am not 100% ready to do yet!
I have read and shown my counsellor "Guidance for GPs, clinicians and health professionals on the care of gender variant people" a Department of Health publication (www.gendertrust.org) which deals with HRT, but he and the NHS seem to be totally inflexible.

My question is, is there another way of getting my GP to prescribe HRT, and monitor my health for me?

Hi Lucy,

Thanks very much for the info, it's very much appreciated. I suppose that I have been seeing the counsellor (who apparently can refer me to CX, although not a psychiatrist) and he seems incredibly negative about the whole system, and about me. A bit off putting to say the least. So thats where my doubts stem from.

Thanks again

Selena

Thanks Anna-Marie,

I wouldn't dream of self medicating as I have read enough now to know the dangers and pit falls. Plus apparently it would jepordise my treatment on the NHS, or so i've been told, which i'm not willing to risk.

Selena

I won't get into my opinion of NHS health care but I am definitely not a fan of the one size fits all program you have over there. I am also not a fan of ASF's herbal stuff, but she has some valid points. HRT will give you some physical traits and probably effect your attitude on a lot of things, but HRT will not turn you into a woman. Only experience can do that.

However I am against the RLE being done before HRT is prescribed for the simple reason some gals flat out look like a guy in a dress. The emotional scars from ridicule, possible job loss or inability to find a job can emotionally tear someone apart. Explain to me how you can have a "REAL LIFE EXPERIENCE" when nobody around you accepts you as a woman. That sure isn't going to teach you much about living as a woman. What is so wrong with giving someone a reasonable shot at blending in. Things like facial hair removal should be the highest priority and that doesn't happen overnight. Bottomline is boobs can be removed. My vote is give them the darn "E".
Hugs,
Marsha

UB, the point I was trying to make about "the guy in a dress" was only to point out there needs to be more options how to proceed with transition versus the one size fits all approach. Not that one approach is better than the other.

You made a great point about how we likely will never be 100% satisfied with ourselves, just like GG's are not always satisfied with how they look.

I know one thing certain for me was that with HRT my skin has really changed. That along with the laser facial hair removal I now look significantly different than I did before HRT.

Hugs,
Marsha

P.S. ASF meant the Anne Selene Fantasia line of herbals.

UB, the "F" was for Fantasia, ASF's screen name here.

I have been doing laser for one year now. They start off at lower power and gradually increase it as the treatments progress, it wasn't until the third treatment that the pain grabbed my attention. And yes there are things that can be done to numb the pain.

As for the change in my skin, it is so great. First off you don't have the shadow, but the skin seems to thin and possibly because of fat distribution, my face rounded out some. Your facial hair basically emerges out pores and as the hair is destroyed, those pores reduce in size giving the skin a much smoother look. Realize this skin change happens all over the body and I find I now bruise rather easily on my arms and legs.

I hope that helps answer your questions. Using supplements and various creams and moisturizers is great for softening your skin, but realize when you have coarse hair stretching the pores it creates a different texture than with the hair removed. Shaving only cuts the hair at the surface, still leaving the hair stretching the pore.

Hugs,
Marsha

Hi Danique, I'm agree with you, so often we meet some people trying to sell some products on different forums. For my part, I come to France and I did find this forum simply by searching about MicroHealth.

I'm in fact 56 years old transsexual. 5 years ago, my wife died because of breast cancer and I was so depress that I had to regularly meet a psychology. To be alone was a problem but I couldn’t have met other girls. My psychology told me this words "since your wife died, you are not the same. More we meet, more I feel that I see your wife and not you." For sure, more time was gone, more I used my wife creams, soap, and all cosmetic she used as more I needed.

Today I'm not a transsexual because I wanted to be a transsexual, but because it was in my mind, in my behaviour, in my need to feel my wife with me. You know, my life is not a pleasure, and since my wife died, I learn about respect, truth and love.

When I read your message, I can not imagine that somebody can be so disrespectful. I use MicroHealth since one year, which work with me and many of my friends. You know, when you spend money into this kind of products, you have good relationship with the company you purchase from and especially the owner of the company, which also happens to be a nice transsexual lady. With lot of my friends, we all use this products and this company don't especially need to sell 10 products more each month to survive as it's not their spirit. So please, be respectful to people who use it and who are satisfied. I thing if you know as much as me about those pills and creams, we could have an interesting discussion, but I don't know if you are able to teach me something. So please, learn a lot before saying so bad coments about something you don’t know nothing about and thanks to other friends who give us advises about what they try, what works and what doesn't work. Merci

Hi Selena,

you are a very nice person. did you hang wigs or is it natural? What kind of shampoo did you use for your hair? thank you very much.

Louis

Hi Louis,

My hair is real, all natural and I only use cheap shampoo and conditioner, VO5 Moisture Soak.

Selli

Just a quick reminder... this site is NOT a medical site, so be very careful when making recommendations and/or discussions regarding hormones and hormone enhancing herbs (etc). Let's not mislead our sisters here.

Since hormones make permanent changes, and everyone reacts different , it is highly suggested that you not self medicate. Also beware of " magic bullet claims" that may or may not work.

It is great that we can share experiences here, but lets make sure we are sharing legitimate information and keeping our sisters here at TW safe.

Hugz,
MichelleLynn

Selena
To go back to your original request before the "argument" started.

I had an appointment with my GP back in the autumn of 2005 and I was referred to the local consulting psychiatrist who agreed with me that I was TS. At that time Oxford PCT were saying that one could not have surgery until one had lived in the county for 2 years and had been on the RLE for a minimum of a year. In fact I never got to Charing Cross for almost 2 years. The consulting psychiatrist realised that there could be a delay and so referred me to a local endocrinologist.. I saw a Professor of Endocrinology and after an appointment involving physical and mental examination my GP was advised to prescribe HRT and anti androgens for me. My GP has prescribed them ever since. After my first appointment at CX my HRT was changed to a stronger dose.
So you do not have to wait until you get to CX to get hormones.
By the way I'm now on HRT for the remainder of my life as I'm now a woman.

Alina

UB, though Danique and I do not agree 100% of the time on a variety of issues, I must say that your revelation of your Bangkok location supports her suspicion that you are, in reality, ASF. If this is the case, you are what is known in internet circles as a "troll," and prpobably deserve to be tossed out of TW yet again for using these forums as a platform to promote your site and your multi level herbal product sales scheme without first checking with KT or with me, Director of Advertising & Promotions to negotiate a price for such advertising.

Marsha, I think it's possible that you miss the point of RLE, which is to give those candidates for transition just such a firsthand experience as you describe in terms of social stigma. By seeing if a person can endure this for some period of time, RLE separates the casual candidate from the real TS.

I think this is why NHS requires some period of RLE prior to HRT to determine whether the candidate might just be an autogynophilic subject or an earnest TS before prescribing treatment.

Did I use enough acronyms in that sentence?

You could always go private Selena. That way you will be in control of your transition and not shoehorned into the NHS mould.

A consultation with Dr Curtis in Wimpole St will cost £220
he will not prescribe on your first visit unless like me you have been self medicating for some considerable time. However, you should be able to get medication on a subsequent visit (£110) and you will not have to be full time for him to prescribe. He will also write to your doctor to ask if he will authorise medication and blood tests on the NHS which should keep the overall costs down. Even if your doctor will not convert his private prescriptions to NHS ones, their cost will only be about £15 a month

Robyn, no I do not misunderstand what RLE is "suppose" to be about. But RLE for a linebacker going out looking like a guy in a dress is not the same as RLE for someone who reasonably passes. The clothes don't make the person. Something I have said from the beginning, this is not all fun and games and I think preparation is the key to success. And everyones preparation requirements are different.

However, I do believe in RLE before SRS, but not necessarily HRT. I think it is something that needs to be handled on an individual basis. I'm just against a cookie-cutter approach.

Hugs,
Marsha

Lucy
Alina's case is not rare nowadays especially if you live in Oxfordshire.

Alina

UB, using your own words "you are either born as transsexual or not " I can argue there is no need for RLE. I can completely agree with you that HRT is not necessary to live as a female. Look at Nikki, I believe she is doing all this without the aid of HRT and I am more than happy to encourage her great success. But even she is working hard at preparing herself with various surgeries and laser. My argument is not that one way is better than another, my argument is that there IS more than one way and each gal should have the opportunity to find the best route for her. Not just a one size fits all approach that these national healthcare programs offer.

Here is a new argument on this to ponder. Let's say Bob goes with the cookie cutter approach. She tells her family, friends and coworkers she is TS and is now Mary. She immediately starts RLE living as a female.

Now take William. He see's a doctor and decides to start with HRT before going fulltime. Very few people are aware of his/her circumstances.

Six months into it both Bob, now Mary, and William realize that persuing a life as a female is not right for them for whatever reason. William stops HRT and goes on with his life. Bob/Mary who already told everyone he is really a woman now has to tell them maybe he is not. Who's life is more messed up? I argue that Bob/Mary is more messed up because now his reputation is totally destroyed. I understand that some of you are forgiving to all with just a big group hug, but I'm talking to the people who live in the real world and don't wear blinder's.

Hugs,
Marsha

Exactly Nikki. I really commend you on everything you have done to transition without HRT. Your approach really shows what can be done with the right attitude and planning. My approach, transitioning fully minus SRS before going fulltime is not really a new approach and to some extent is common in the private healthcare world.

The most important thing girls following this thread need to understand is that it can be done. You don't need to win the lottery, either financially or being accepted into a program. For some reason too many girls think it is a race. Of course like Nikki, I wish I could have transitioned years ago. Fact is today is today and I need to make the best of my future.

For those girls who say they gotta have it now, all I can say is WHY? And I don't want to hear the same old bull puckey answer that you are being denied something, geez. Like Ugly Betty said, you are born TS. So that means you are already you, start acting like it. Just like girls going on a diet to lose weight, change doesn't happen overnight. Learn to live with it and make those gradual changes to where you want to be. Stop thinking that putting on a dress is going to make you a woman.

Hugs,
Marsha

I'm afraid I've got to show Marsha-Ann the yellow card here since she seems to stressing exterior factors too much. In the final count it's down to internal, intangible factors- aka 'vibes' etc. There are many transgirls built like heavyweight boxers, and transmen of small,delicate body structure. However,they all radiate-for want of a better term- such an utterly convincing femininity or masculinity that
scarcely anyone doubts them .indeed,the fact they are Trans people is often greeted with disbelief when it becomes known.

The Bob and William stories emphasise,to my mind,the sense behind the RLE which is to separate the serious cases from the 'lifestyle' dilettantes. Bob(?) may be a loser 'cos he breaks off the RLE BUT.....surely it's infinitely better to bail out at this stage rather than to wake up in the post-surgery recovery ward and realise that you've gone a step too far? It's like mountaineering-the trick is realising when to break-off and turn back.

Having said that, I feel that, for those of us of more mature years- with ages starting with 4-,5- or even 6-,there is perhaps a case for dispensing with a RLE requirement if,and it's a big IF,we're able to convince the quacks and shrinks that our intentions tally with our commitments to partners,families etc etc, and that they are,at least,not opposed to our intentions. I would hazard that,by the time we've reached these ages,we've got a much more realistic view of where we are,what we want and how much leeway we've actually got in terms of obligations etc. Oh,last not least, there is no perfect or ideal system for 'treating' us,at least as far as I can see.

Ciao,
Lynn H.

Lynn!!!! Never have I said and please don't ever give the impression that I think someone should not transition because of how they look. AND I said in an earlier post to this thread

However, I do believe in RLE before SRS, but not necessarily HRT. I think it is something that needs to be handled on an individual basis. I'm just against a cookie-cutter approach.

LOL, I used extreme examples to point out there needs to be more than one option when transitioning. I believe gals should be allowed to at a minimum have facial hair removal before RLE. There is no question the face changes with hair removal and HRT, giving the face a more feminine appearance. But with programs like the UK healthcare system if you want them to take care of it, then you have to go with their program which means you are thrown out to the wolves to start your RLE looking like a guy in a dress or a gal with a 5 o'clock shadow. Of course if you have financial resources to take care of somethings on your own, you are ok, but I'm talking about those that rely fully on the NHS. All I want for the gals is options, not the road blocks that seem to currently exist.

So with all that said and done, I have to give you a "Red Card" for putting words in my mouth that I did not say and for taking things out of context by not showing I had said there needs to be RLE before surgery. Uhmm, are you a politician by chance?

Hugs,
Marsha

Lucy, you nailed it on the head with personal responsibility, and that is exactly what I have meant about preparation and planning. There is more to it then walking in the front door of CX and out the back door as a woman. The more a gal understands about what needs to be done, the more likely she will transition smoothly. Once again I believe the option to start doctor supervised HRT before RLE is reasonable. I've said it often, what is the rush, it's not a race. Why not take the time to get it right.
Hugs,
Marsha

I had offered to mod this one but was told that they wanted a medical professional to moderate this forum......As if that will ever happen. So meanwhile we get this.
Hugs,
Marsha

Wendy, I know you are not on HRT so please take a second to reread what you posted from TSroadmap.com. Stuff like that is one of the reasons I'm not fond of that site. Once you decipher that goblity gook you realize it talks out of both sides of it's mouth.

1. Key is hair removal, voice and face. Sounds like what I have said.
2. Hormones are overrated. Then why is it followed by #3?
3. Most of the effects are welcomed.
4. Softening of facial features. Hmm, does that have anything to do with the face it mentions in number 1?
5. Stoppage of hair loss. Hmm that could be important don't you think and amazing, that is typically part of a HRT regimen.

All and all that is a great link because it makes the point I have made all along that too many girls rush into going fulltime and that the more preparation one does the smoother transition will likely go.

So Wendy thank you for posting that link and for those who don't like to scroll, here it is again http://www.tsroadmap.com/[...]le.html

Next is you moderating this hormone forum. Because you are not on HRT, when someone asks how it feels or something along those lines, can we now expect you to delete it because you have no basis or experience to verify if any answer could possibly be right. I'm sorry, you are the wrong person to moderate this forum. My opinion of course and I don't mean that you are not a good person in any way, just not the person for this forum.

Hugs,
Marsha

I want you to answer her I don't agree with you Lucy. What Betty have said is useful information and not advertising at all because we all know that most herbal products does not work but Kwao Krua really works so what are you so worried about? I’m 100% sure that this website is full of links and product names that can be considered as advertisement but sometimes you cant give information without also telling the names of a product or give links to specific websites.

Louis

I think everyone is missing the boat on this issue of Kwao Krua. There is no question Kwao Krua is a phytoestrogen. The issue here is that herbal supplements such as Kwao Krua have no medical community consensus on what the benefits, side effects, or safe dosages are. Therefore it becomes a greater safety issue and should not be endorsed or allowed to be promoted in this environment.

Products like Kwao Krua can be purchased from anyone, anywhere, including on ebay. There is no medical support or knowledge offered or available from these sellers. Basically it is a crap shoot. For that reason I am against herbs of any type being promoted or reccommended at TW.

Hugs,
Marsha

Wendy, please let me start off by saying I have never doubted your good intentions. My complaint if you want to call it that was based on the timing and how your post came across.

The Hormone forum is very important to this site and as you see the passion in recent threads reflect how many of us take this topic extremely seriously. Those who are not on HRT or not yet on HRT can maybe imagine what we go through, but only those of us who have made the life changing commitment and are on medically supervised HRT actually know what we go through. That is why I have questioned your involvement here, no other reason. You have always been a good person in my book.

Hugs,
Marsha

With regard to RLE and the HBSOC, I was unaware that the current version of HBSOC had reduced the RLE requirement to three months. I was under the impression that the most recent WPATH convention had reduced it to six months.

The issue of appearance is, in my opinion, unimportant with regard to RLE. The "linebacker" needs to know and experience firsthand what to expect when undertaking gender transition, one of the hardest things any person can do.

I have always maintained that to openly identify as trans is a good thing, ultimately serving the community goal of acceptance and assimilation by making us more commonplace and less of an "oddity." It is my feeling that while addressing cosmetic matters of personal appearance and presentation, voice training and such, can make the experience easier, in the long run, it buys directly into the binary gender model, an artificial social construct that oppresses us by invalidating our identity as trans people.

Here is a real life example of real life experience that I think supports my impressions. Here in my hometown, there was an individual who took the first tentative steps out of the closet in January of 2007, never having even left the house in female attire until her first visit to the local support group.

The group embraced this person and directed her to various area resources to aid in the discovery and expression of her identity. This individual had the financial resources necessary to pursue cosmetic procedures and SRS, and by September of 2007, had arranged for SRS while still living primarily in the male role. Upon receiving a negative recommendation from a local therapist, citing the complete lack of RLE, this candidate was able to locate a different therapist who provided the necessary letter of recommendation no questions asked.

To this day, almost a year post op, this person STILL does not live fulltime. This is, in my view, an example of "SRS on demand," which the HBSOC are intended to prevent. While it is my hope that this person enjoys smooth sailing in her new situation, the possibility of "buyer's remorse" exists, and one or more such cases would be all that would be needed by those who oppose the idea of gender transition for religious or political reasons to support the view that SRS and related procedures should be banned, thus denying these opportunities to those who need them.

RLE is an essential part of the treatment regimen for all trans people, and is meant to illustrate to the SRS candidate that this is not a decision to be taken lightly. Linebacker or fashion model, until a person is addressed as "sir" by a convenience store clerk, or has some similar experience, they are likely to naively consider gender transition blithely and unrealistically. The reality is that we are not assimilated, and socially, there is still a stigma attached to who we are. Anyone undertaking gender transition needs to be prepared to deal with this.

Of course my period of RLE thus far pales by comparison to the experiences of some of the eminent experts posting in this thread, but I can say that after all I have endured as a result of my experience, I am fully prepared to move forward with confidence. I'm comfortable as a trans person. It's who I am. All the hair removal, voice training, FFS, and even SRS will render me no less trans, and I'm OK with that, thanks to RLE.

That's it exactly,Robyn. There's a young TS (19) in Oz who has been on HRT for almost a year now with very favourable results.BUT, as far as transitioning goes, she's like someone standing on the edge of a swimming pool and periodically dipping her big toe in to test the temperature- and it's always too cold.'I'll get around to transitioning eventually',seems to be the motto here.At the same time she complains about being alone,no real friends,complains about people calling her by her male name,lies around in bed all day instead of going to the Uni, etc etc. This is all to see on YouTube. (see the Australian Forum for the link). There seems to be no requirement for RLE in Oz................How do you take someone like this seriously??
RLE is there to give dreamers a very necessary cold shower of reality,or have I missed something somewhere?

Ciao,
Lynn H.

Robyn, that is very well said and I do agree with you. I think your personal experience and that of the other gal you described goes to show there are many paths that can be taken. However, once again I do believe documented RLE needs to be undertaken before SRS, how long RLE should last is debateable. Possibly for someone who has been on hrt, had hair removal and possibly other surgeries like FFS, could get away with a shorter RLE. I'm just thinking that having made that much commitment shows one's true willingness to make the transition work.

The "linebacker" look is something the individual needs to be comfortable with. You are so right about needing to be able to go out in public not afraid of being trans. I think that is something I have come to grips with this past year and with the support of my wife and friends I now grab my purse and go. I get some sirs, lots of ma'ams and plenty of general greetings. Once again, all this highlights that there are options for all of us.

Hugs,
Marsha

Hi Marsha,
so.......'red card' is it...............

'However I am against the RLE being done before HRT is prescribed for the simple reason some gals flat out look like a guy in a dress.The emotional scars from ridicule,possible job loss or inability to find a job can emotionally tear someone apart.Explain to me....etc etc................'
(Marsha Ann,29.08.2008)

Let's be realistic here.With the exception of those who transition during childhood or as teens,almost all of us look like guys in dresses at the start. Even actually looking halfways like a girl at the start does not guarantee that RLE will be smooth and without problems. As I wrote a few days ago, it's the inner girl that decides success or failure both at the start and in the long run,much less the external. But,if we're talking external girl here then I can only urge all of you contemplating the rocky road to transition to get to grips with the beard problem before anything else-believe me,getting it removed will do wonders for your self-confidence!! Also bear in mind that ,depending upon the chosen method-Laser,needle epilation etc-HRT may be a hindrance.(I speak from experience......)

lol & ciao

Lynn H.

I understand Lynn and I have stated time and time again that we are all different, therefore a one size fits all program for transition is wrong. I can't agree with you more that facial hair removal is at the top of the list for what needs to get done for transition.
Lots of hugs,
Marsha

I'd like to ask a simple question at this point. Has the way this thread has gone answered Selena's original question?

Is that a yes or no question Alina?

I thought Lucy did a good job answering it on August 27th, the day it was first asked. Your answer on the 31st wasn't bad either except Selena hasn't logged on in over a week so she has never seen it.

But because Selena acknowledged both Lucy and Anna-Marie, I think the original question was answered as far as she was concerned. Also as you scroll down you will find Selena participated in other discussions that popped up in this thread.

Hugs,
Marsha

Marsha
I find that on lots of sites like this that discussions slip away from the original point that was posed. So I suppose that although it was basically a yes/no answer to my question it could also have opened debate about the merits of having big arguments. I think one of the problems of threads going astray is when someone new joins and attempts to find an answer to a question already on the forum/thread.

Alina

I understand what you are saying and you are clearly right to express your opinion.

However I do not see anything wrong with a constructive argument either. If we all agreed on everything why bother to have forums or anything that required a comment. The reality is we are each different and it is possible that each of us will have a different view on any given topic.

As for threads branching off into different directions that is one thing mods can help prevent. Obviously we recently ran through that argument in this very same forum. But the otherside of threads branching off is that is how everyday open communication works. Maybe in a cut and dry business environment, discussions are kept to the topic of discussion, but I believe in the social arena most people find it a lot more interesting if things vary along the way.

And for the new person that comes along, how about personal responsibility. It might be a good idea to read through existing posts to see what points have been made. Nobody can make anyone else do that. And once again on the otherhand, I have never seen anyone bad mouthed for bringing up something that was discussed earlier. If anything, that just might be the ticket to get the thread back on topic.

Hugs,
Marsha


Hugs,
Marsha

Marsha you can be right in this, I’m not saying anything else but you must
also know that the Kwao Krua sold on eBay and other places does not
necessarily be the best quality of the herb and I would also make a big
warning on such purchase. For example I know a website that sell Kwao
Krua cheap. They have nice website, nice words but no contact details???
Only e-mail address, would you buy from them (it’s called Herbal One)? Or
what about Kwao Krua made in China where it does not even grow? Or Kwao
Krua capsules that contains 10-20 other herbs in a 100-200mg capsule so
Kwao Krua is maybe only 10% of it?

The problem with Kwao Krua is that there is so many different qualities
and for taking Kwao Krua there is three or more criteria’s you must look
out for where the most important is that it must have no trace of
dangerous heavy metals, minerals or chemicals, it must be bio-grad and
“green”, harvested on the 4th year and only while the plant has flowers
and it must be taken from the right parts of the root or else it would be
like selling you the skin of the potato as French fries, right?

And most important it must be irradiated to ensure that it does not have any
fungus or germs in it. irradiation used in Anne's herbs is the same as used
for spices and pre-packed food and is approve for both EU and USA
(cobalt-60) and in fact she's maybe the only one that do so to ensure you
get a mould, parasites and bug free product. Colbalt-60 is like dry
pasteurisation of the product.

So even though there is a jungle of companies selling Kwao Krua capsules
from 9.90 US$ and up to 40-50 US$, you can guess yourself that there is a
reason to that price difference and it’s not all about profits and I know
there is only a very few companies in Thailand that really sell good
quality Kwao Krua and Anne’s products are the top of the range as they
have done the best work to ensure they sell the best quality, sell
safe-to-use products (their products are approved for sales in EU so I
have no problems receiving them by post) and they do continuing research
into new products which means they are there to stay.

So I hope this information is OK for you and you understand now why
several of my friends as well as I here in France are using Kwao Krua from
Anne and not hormones from a chemical factory.

You might think its crap but let me ask you this; The main reason why you
and others are taking hormones is to get some small secondary effects like
smother skin and breasts and after a while you get maybe an “A“ cup size.
Well I have taken Kwao Krua from Anne and I also use her cream and I got A
to B size after a year or maybe its only 11 months or so and I got very
smooth skin and I got more hair now than I had for the past 10 years, and
best of all I got a lot of energy that I did not had after my wife died.
So can I ask you why is Kwao Krua so bad when we got the same results? I
hope you can see my point of view in this.

could I recommend the previous post for deletion ?

It is a blatant advertisement from someone (I wonder who) pretending to be french

I say pretending, because no real french person would ever call "french fries" french fries. Poor research I think

Salut Lilliene,
Si tu doutes de mon français, il n'y à aucun soucis, je peux te parler en français sans aucun soucis, au contraire, celà m'est à la limite plus simple.
J'utilise simplement french fries parceque c'est une façon de parler, maintenant je peux appeler ça frites ce n'est pas un soucis. Peut etre si tu as encore des doutes sur mon français, je pourrais te parler le verlan si tu connais, c'est le français language SMS en inverssant les syllabes lol t'as pigé c'ke jte racconte ou t'comprends que d'al ? lol
Biz

Lucien, Betty and Anne Selene, please PM me with contact information where you can be presented an invoice for advertising on TW. The cost will be a minimum of $99 USD for the first month, which is due immediately. This is an introductory rate that will include traffic tracking statistics to your site. Once the introductory month is up, we can discuss terms and conditions for an extended advertising agreement.

Thank you for advertising with us. Prompt payment is appreciated.

Thanks to everyone who has commented, some on track and some somewhat off track. At this point my questions have been answered to a certain degree. As I have started down the NHS road I will travel it to its conclusion.

Selena

Selina, i went through the same as you when i first went F/T.What your GP is telling you is, unfortunately correct ( exactly what i was told). I may well be wrong but i don't think that there is any other way for your GP to prescribe your HRT. There is always the option of buying the hormones on-line & taking them yourself. but self-Medding is a VERY risky path to take. I hope you find a solution to your dilemma hon.


Lol xxxxxxxxxx
Anna-Marie

lol, no Robyn, I did'nt think you used ANY acronyms in that sentence ...

Much love

Rae xx

I am strongly requesting those of you who have gone off topic on personal issues to stop. You are free to disagree on the topic of HRT but personal attacks are undesirable, even in their own thread. If it continues I will seriously consider removing/editing all such comments from this thread, without apology or further justification. It is unacceptable. It stops here.

Let me also say that helping people to deal with their problems by offering support, education, socialization and friendship in a safe environment is exactly what Trannyweb is about. We take care of each other.

Robyn is quite right on the issue of advertising on TW. If a company is unethical in it's use of Trannyweb as a free advertising platform, it is likely to be unethical in it's dealings with it's own customers. We want nothing to do with such companies/individuals. Forum Administrators are on the lookout for such advertising posts and they are quickly removed, sometimes with commentary that backfires on the advertiser. It is very important that TW be a protected environment.

Marsha, you are absolutely right in your assessment of me. Hormones are not an option for me but I am taking other steps to both make me feel more feminine as well as looking more presentable. There is more than one way to go as you say and the choice of what path to take lays entirely with the individual, no one else.

As for the rest of the thread and how to transition. In hindsight, I wish I had transitioned fully by the time I was twenty, HRT, SRS, everything but it didn't turn out that way. Partly my cowardice denying being TG and partly old fashioned attitudes of doctors telling me 'it's a phase, go and be a man!' (Like a cowardly fool, I listened).

Sorry to go on here. My point is, it's up to the individual to choose their own path, and it is not our place to argue with their judgement just because we choose to do it differently.

To take Marsha's argument further, a girl could go on HRT and have FFS and only then decide to come out. Some will never have SRS since they don't feel the need to or they can't afford it or are not eligible under their countries health program. One size does not fit all.

Nikki

I have this forum on my notification list for reasons that should be readily apparent. I've had a bad couple days medically and missed the start of this nonsense. (no nothing serious just very painful and didn't get much sleep/rest)