I'm soo sad my husband of 22 years finally admitted to being more attrated to his fem side than me, after years of lying, stealling, secrets and avoiding family responsiblities. Now I find out that I'm the thrid wheel. I feel used and taken advantage of, I have been too considerate. He wants me to continue in the relationship, says he loves me. But ouch. I hurt.
Sam.
What did he mean by being more attracted to his fem side than you? The feelings are usually a compulsion a need. Somone who is not comfortable in a natal gender.
Of course your upset and hurt, you feel btrayed, Women marry men, Men are the ''Providers, protectors, the alpha male'' Many men dress up as women as a form of escapism, getting away from reality, stress, bad memories, horrific incidents in their lives. some get married inocently thinking these feelings will, subside, some just dress up soley for sexual thrills. Lying stealing avoiding responsobilities? I presums items of your wardobe etc have gone missing, erm was'nt me.
Think you should sit him down, have a talk, exactly where he sees this going, If he is genuinely Gender dysphoric, and its a basic need, will he come to resent it you,. if out of loyalty and comitment he does'nt follow this ''Dream'' A lot of women automattically asume this makes their partner gay. You don't mention if you have children or if he is out to other people, members of the family.
Hope everything works out for you. There is a forum dedicated to significant others. wives, partners and is actually run by partners of TG people. offering help and support.
Thank-you Cristine,
I will look on that forum
What do you mean "cimpulsion a need. Somone who is not comfortable in a natal gander."
When I say he has been stealing from me, i mean clothes, even pictures he has posted on this website are of me!, unauthorized.! I just found them after he left the web page open, these pictures where very private to me had he knew that! But he/she does whatever whenever. He/she has avoided doing his responsiblities, he hids in crossdressing, then lies about his whereabouts. He is very selfish, and i have given myself 100%, but I feel like a fool.!!!!!!
Trust is my biggest issue, not the crossdressing. He has lied soooo often to keep "her" hidden, I dont think he knows how to tell the truth. Sad part is I'm a good wife, I've been understanding, maybe too understanding.
Yes we have grown children, no one knows about his crossdressing but Me....and his mom & sister (they know from childhood, but they think it was just a passing fad for him, kind of what I was hoping).
I am a knock out, I have a rocking body, a great carreer, had a good loving relationship, but he blew me out of the water with the level of deception. The lies.
Thanks for commenting, just trying to sort this out in my head without getting screwed again. Sometimes guys are just jerks.
Sam
Sam, not here to make judgements, just help in some understanding and support. Sounds to me that you have been more than patient. A womans clothes are a very personal thing to her. I live and share my life with somone and would never dream of helping myself to her clothes or her to mine. Peronally if I was you, I would feel violated and betrayed, The lieing is probably the worst thing if you have known about these things, if you want to continue in this relationship. which at the moment you are not sure about, YOU must lay down the ground rules, what is and what is off limits and try and establish what the long term prospect is, sometimes as with quite a few others on here have come to an understanding and still have very stable and loving relationships supporting each other. even if it turns either into a sister type relationship or a lesbian relationship. but honesty and acceptance and ground rules are a must. xxXxx Cristine
Hello Sam,
There are quite a lot of issues here, so I will try to find you an answer or two, but this is my experience, and it wont necessarily be your partners. I should also say that none of this is meant as an excuse for what your partner has done, its just an explanation of what may have driven him.
For me as a child growing up in the 60’s and 70’s, there were many things that parents, siblings and society expected of boys and being a bit girly wasn’t one of them. This meant that my cross dressing was something to hide and keep secret. Unfortunately that brings with it a certain amount of shame and guilt too, especially when foraging for cast off clothes, so I have spent most of my life hiding in shame of it rather than embracing it as something to being proud of. Keeping the secret and the fear of being found out was a constant source of angst for me. That’s possibly why so many of us have some sort of psychological problem in life. We fear being caught and it drives us close to madness, as does the cross dressing, or, to be more accurate, “not cross dressing.” Its easy to stop cross dressing, we just take off the clothes and hide them away. Not wearing them again is a huge problem though. Not at first, that’s the easy stage, but as time passes, there is a compulsion that builds up inside. It starts off with noticing girls in pretty clothes, but soon its every girl wearing any clothes. Then it starts to occupy every thought to such an extent, its all we can see and think of. Then it creeps into dreams as well. Dreams of being female, or wearing female clothes where no one notices or cares. That’s a hard one deal with in the morning, because its like a sub conscious feeling that its ok, but then a conscious mind says its scary and being beaten up in the street is certain if anyone realizes. That’s when it starts to drive us close to madness. Its not a disease, illness or addiction that can be cured or beaten, it’s a pervasive compulsion that drives every thought, and every decision we make. Being Transgendered is a condition for life, its not just for new years eve and its not something we will grow out of, or get over. The only control we have over it is to give in and do it. The longer we deny our inner feelings, the stronger the urge becomes. Many times I have tried to put it behind me and have thrown away all my clothes, but like all others before me, it was a folly destined to fail.
One of the hardest questions to answer is why? We don’t always fully understand it ourselves, so explaining it to others is nye on impossible, and that makes it even harder.
Wherever there is an unknowing SO, there is usually deceit and lies and possibly stealing of clothes too. That’s the measure of how potent being transgendered is. In the early stages of discovering just where we sit on the transgendered scale, Its better to risk stealing something than have to face the enormity of purchasing items in public, and in the right size.
I’m not sure about the significance of your comment about his hiding his whereabouts?
That could be very significant or insignificant, I’m not sure, if you can tell me more, I’ll try to help you better.
Posting pictures of you is totally wrong and for that he is probably a lot more than a jerk. Of all the places your partner has to pretend to be ordinary and manly, coming to a place like this and still pretending to be someone your not is indefensible. After all of that, and all that you have been through, you still seem to be supportive in referring to your partner as she/he and Her or Him, so well done to you. You deserve better to be honest, but after 22 years of marriage, I would suggest that now would be a very good time for you both to be honest and talk things through, so that there is no more deceit and boundaries can be set.
Hope this has been of some help,
Mandy.
Mandy,
Yes your words have been very helpful....and kind. Thank-you. We are going to councilling seperately, and going to see if we can salvage somesort of relationship out of all this mess, friends or partners...I'm not sure. At least its a start.
I can understand how his enviroment has shaped his fears towards crossdressing, and how it would be easier for him to steal than purchase. I've seen the compulsion that you mention in the above post.
Right now He wants to throw it all away, (the clothes)...and from what I've been reading and your comments, it seems like it will be impossible for him to be successful in that pursuit. I want our relationship to work, but am fearful of his stace "i'm just going to quit." but at the sametime I'm scared of "the give in and just do it", becauce when I've been more accepting of him and her needs it gets out of hand....and the rest of his (our) life becomes negelcted. It seems like he goes deeper into escaping from reality. But...maybe councilling will give him tools to help or...?
How should I support him/her through this? Right now I'm encouraging him to open and honest with himself, to examine and accept him/her self. But he doesn't want to even consider that he can be "fixed", he is tormented, I'm sure, and hurting and scared of losing our marriage. Rightfully so...I guess. How can I ease this pain and help him accept who he is?
SaM
How should I support him/her through this? Right now I'm encouraging him to open and honest with himself, to examine and accept him/her self. But he doesn't want to even consider that he can be "fixed", he is tormented, I'm sure, and hurting and scared of losing our marriage. Rightfully so...I guess.
Probably one of the most loving and sadest things I have read in years.
"How can I ease this pain and help him accept who he is?"
As for throwing all the things away, we call it purging, Not so much in my own case, but some go through this many times, Only to start over again,
Your parner, should also see a councellor who is a specialist in cross gender issues. If he truly has an issue with his natal birth gender, you both need to know. Gender dysphoria, the general concensus from probaly 99% of these specialists, would say this condition is incurable and the only succesfull outcome is to let the person transition.
Cristine
Yes, I do love and care about him, he is a great father and compassionate human,...
opps typo...
But he doesn't want to even consider that he can be "fixed".
I meant, but he doesn't want to even consider that he CANN"T be fixed.
Denial,... A common early reaction in accepting a reality you don't nessarly want or choose.
He meets with councillor soon, suppose to be someone with experience with in this field. Crossing my fingers she will be helpful!
Sam.
Hello Sam,
Counselling is a great idea and I hope it works out well for you both, and that’s good sound advice from Cristine too. The flip side of the compulsion and failure of purging is that when it fails there is a lot of guilt and shame too, so your partner needs to go to counselling and be 100% honest with the counsellor as he also needs to be 100% honest with you too. Keep on encouraging him to be open and honest, so that he can become the she that you would like to be with.
It sounds like you have both been tormented, and hurt, and are scared of losing your marriage, which may sound bad, but at least there is some common feelings here that can be a good thing to help you both recover a relationship. I feel though that it’s impossible to “fix” this in the way that I think your partner thinks it can be fixed, but it is possible that the counselling will help you both find a place where you can be together and happy with each other.
Talking to each other is the key to supporting each other through this.
Talking to the counsellor is a way for both of you to find a solution that will work for both of you.
Talking to each other will help you both to ease the pain that you both feel, and continuing to talk to each other will help you both to ease each others pain and for you both to accept her for who she is.
I have been dressing conciously for about 7 years, I did things a a child with my moms makeup. Mothers Clothes, dads girl friends clothes in my teenage years and going through great lengths to shoplift womens stuff, not really understanding it. I figured it would have left me when i went into th military. It did not and became get progressively worst.
After accepting i had a problem i started to do research into what this was, i had found that there were a community of people with the same secret. Because it felt so good when i just wore bras or underwear anything feminine underneath my regular day to day clothing i quickly labeled myself to being a transgendered person because it was too intense of a feeling to think i just injoyed wearing the clothing. I had never had the opportunity to go further than just that.
Around this time i was still dating my high school sweet heart and soon to get married. Fortunetly i did not tell her till a few months after we were married. I was overseas and we had to rely on communication for the foundation of our relationship,friendship and marriage.
She kind of chuckled, she took it like a champ though and just asked that i dont do it around her. I felt great at this point, the one person i love in my life is accepting me of this. When i came back to the states and we moved intogether still being in the military i began going full out. It wasnt just bras and underwear any more i wanted to go further, i bought dresses, shoes, wigs, makeup the whole gambit. As i started to do this and dress up completely i realized that there was something missing in my life. It was Kara (my TG name). IT come down very hard on me realizing that when i was dressed and living the role i felt complete as an individual. A very euphoric feeling that i cannot explain. This was becomming difficult and confusing for me and so i went into supression mode, concerned for what may happen if i continue.
I had then got stationed overseas and got to bring my wife with me. After about 8 months of supression these uncontrollable urges came back. This whole time teh wife never knew how i felt or even realized i had quit. I was too scared to tell her how i feel. I started to explain to her that it would be great if she could accept me for who i am and if she would allow me to do it infront of her. It took time but eventually she allowed it. But it had changed her from that point on as she never looked at me teh same or touched me the way she used to. I know it had effected our marriage. I could tell she was hurt. We would talk about it, however me never really confessing how i really felt to fully transition because teh thought of loosing her was too great. We had even went out one halloween as me dresed up and her as my pimp that was the greatest it was the first time i had been in public and to get real feedback. Peeople actually thought i was a women, i think this scared her. I went into supression mode again.
OVer the next few years to try and salvage the marriage i had started doing anabolic steroids to alter my physique and body building. This was great for her but it jsut felt wrong to me and I had missed being Kara soo much. 9 years we have been married now, i am out of the military and the urges are jsut too great to fight anymore. I had started to seek professional help and am now seeing a therapist who specializes in Transgendered people. It took me along time to dial that phone and seek help. Once i went in and seen her though it was a huge rock lifted off my shoulders. I had one thing left to do. that was be honest with my wife and tell her how i really feel about the whole thing realizing that i could loose her.
I waited a couple days and finally told her, she knew why i was going to the therapist i told her i needed help. Well she did not take it too well. She is very concerned for our marriage if i continue this path. I want to start HRT and she is not particulary fond of this as she told me that it would be the final straw, she cant be with me if i do that. Weird thing is now she is much more affectionate towards me, she told me because i opened up to her that it made her feel closer. So there is the issue and we have agreed to talk about it once a week as she wont see a therapist in fear of it making her feel like the bad guy.
I am going to continue my therapy sessions and have started to look for local support groups to attend. She is accepting of that so far. I have made alot of progress within the last week since my therapy session. I have told my wife how i truly feel. I have told my best friend back home who i will be visitng this week. Now i am considering telling my brother and father. I mean why not, i just told my wife lol. So yes sorry for the long winded story but thats it.