Pain right now

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    February 20, 2009 2:27 PM GMT
    My ex called me last night in a bit of a fury. Apparently my 11 year old kid has figured it out about me, and that is what is making her grades slip.

    No matter how much I tried, my side of the story was not listened to. It is like before. I have been made to feel incredibly low and that I will not see my kid tomorrow.

    My ex has a tendency to exaggerate, so I really don't know what to think.

    Right now things are so up and down. Just give me a little time.

    Mere
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    February 20, 2009 5:27 PM GMT
    That's horrid, Merideth.

    I'll keep you in my thoughts and prayers.

    Kids are pretty resilient and adaptable as long as they're given the chance and the opportunity to ask questions. Not letting you see your child is the worst thing to do. Probably has a million questions etc.

    I hate when kids are used as pawns in marriage break-ups etc. I'm seeing it happen with the way a friend's ex is trying to use her daughter. Fortunately he doesn't have custody. Now to get the 3 year old to start calling me Talia...

    As your child gets older they will figure things out for themselves. Just be there when there are questions and be clear it's not you that is keeping you apart. One thing I'd be tempted to look into would be counselling of some sort.

    (((({{{{[[[[ Hugs ]]]]}}}}))))
    Talia
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    February 20, 2009 7:50 PM GMT
    Kids know more about this world than we give them credit for.
    Given time & a clue here & there they can come up with the right answers.
    Most people would't evan think a child could know about these kind of things.
    So for the other girls that think thier kids have no idea, don't be suprised if & when you think it's time they were told they know a lot more than you thought.

    Mere I'm sorry it came down on you like this. But know I'm allways here if you need me.
    Just let me know what I can do & I'll do it.
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    February 20, 2009 11:25 PM GMT

    How does your ex figure that that is YOUR fault??. Just keep your chin up & i things will sort themselves out i'm sure of it.


    Lol xxxxxxxxx
    Anna-Marie
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    February 21, 2009 2:24 AM GMT
    Lots of hugs Mere. Obviously a tough situation. Until you talk to your kid you won't really know what is effecting her grades. It could just as easily be your ex bad mouthing you that is causing the problem. There is also your relationship with Josie which could be suggesting to your kid that there is no hope ever of her parents getting back together. Lots of what ifs. Take some time to talk to her, if she knows, she knows. Now tell her what is really going on. You are doing nothing wrong, you are a good person.
    More hugs and best wishes,
    Marsha
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    February 21, 2009 3:07 PM GMT
    This has caused some problems with Josie. I falsely accused her of not listening at a time when she couldn't talk. Me and my ex don't talk about relationships (or, in her case, lack thereof), but I really thought she knew about Josie. Now she does. When I told Josie about this it seemed as if she didn't care when in fact she did. She just couldn't express it at the time.

    But the thing is I have some damage control to do. As I mentioned, my ex does tend to exaggerate. I refuse to be manipulated.

    Josie, I am sorry! You know I love you

    Mere
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    February 22, 2009 11:01 AM GMT

    Hang in there Mere...things have a way of working themselves out over time.


    Hugs & kisses,

    Monika
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    February 24, 2009 1:48 PM GMT
    Things are not much better. My ex will not answer any message I send, so she is once again playing that game. I hope she keeps this in mind the next time she wants money.

    According to my ex - who, again, I said tends to not tell a story truthfully - my kid is seeing her therapist tonight. I could know tonight if I will be seeing her soon.

    When this first broke I was made to feel like I did when I was first kicked out almost four years ago. I will no longer be made to feel guilty over every little thing.

    If this keeps up, a Denver move might be sooner than expected, but will I really be running away? Who knows.

    I am trying to be upbeat at work and it doesn't always work.

    Mere

    On the plus side, my one school is offering me three really hot classes. It might be overwork, but it means more money. In this economy, that's amazing.
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    February 24, 2009 2:58 PM GMT
    Mere
    Two can play the silent game. Your daughter is reaching an age where she will make her own decisions - it might surprise everyone.
    Stay cool.
    hugs
    Gracie
  • February 25, 2009 11:54 AM GMT
    At eleven you child will be able to tak eon board your need to change..must be getting lots of crap from ex...what is the therapist telling the child? once they get their hooks is they can do as much harm as anything. No access to child via phone or do letters or gifts get 'intercepted'...you look perfectly nice so its not as if your child will run away screaming if you were to meet up?

    What about childs aunts/uncles/grans on both sides...they get a chance to put in a good word for you or is everyone reaaly peed off at you and refusing to help you?

    So often the ex gets this vindictive...we need laws about it but who could be trusted to make good laws?

    Just keep tryin to somehow let the kid know you're still wanting to be her 'parent'
    rose
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    February 25, 2009 1:53 PM GMT
    Things have calmed down a little. Me and the ex are talking a little nicer.

    I will see my kid for a while on Saturday, except she does not want to talk about this. I told me ex that's what we always advocate - don't bring it up if someone else doesn't wish to discuss it. It might be a while before my kid stays over again, but at least the door is not slammed shut.
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    February 25, 2009 7:24 PM GMT
    Mere - sounds like progress. I know you wont pressure your daughter. She'll come around. Just be nice, smile a lot and tell some jokes.
    hugs
    Gracie
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    March 15, 2009 6:39 PM GMT
    I do feel for you and all that you're going through. I can relate alot to it. I have two kids, and have hoped the same kind of thing wouldn't happen to me, as my ex sounds very similar to yours.

    My son is now 19, and I came out to him when just after he turned 18 when we had a weekend alone together. Holding out to tell him for a number of years was a challenge. But it turned out for the best. It turns out that he also is trans and didn't really know what was going on either, having dabbled in it when he was young, and he kept it a secret until he told me about it. It was very liberating for both of us!

    My daughter turns 17 in a week or so, and I've not yet told her. Yet she spots things that give her clues and now and then she'll say, "Is there something you want to tell me, dad?" It's hard to brush by it all, but I do plan on telling her when she also turns 18.

    From the both of them, especially my son, I've learned that their generation (in their part of the country) is growing up not really concerned about crossdressing. Last year my daughter said about half the guys in her school (high school of about 2,000) dress in girl pants and also do other girly things, so the girls overall care little about how guys dress anymore.

    All that said it's more important to not give fodder to my ex to try to keep my daughter away from me this last year before she turns 18. So, I find that being not crossdressed when my daughter is around is most important.

    One other side issue is that when my father passed away in 2001, we found that he also crossdressed, and I discovered it only a month or so before he passed. I wish I had discovered more about myself and had better thought things out before he passed so I could have asked him more questions. This, coupled with my son's crossdressing (which he did before Emo and crossdressing became popular) showed me that in our family it's genetic.

    So for me this is how it's played out so far - it's been a long road for me, and this is only a few highlights. Hopefully for you, Mere, it will turn out as best as can be.

    Hugs and best wishes!
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    March 15, 2009 11:19 PM GMT
    I was in chat when you came in having had the bad news and really felt for you.
    The simple fact is that across the world we do live in an evolving and more tolerant and understanding society. Thus my mother and sister do not understand nor like what I am,, my ex even less so. Despite this, my two boys 16/13 now, and 3 years in to knowing me as Tina, do happily toerate me and know that they are still loved, and that expressions of love are more easily made now.
    All that you can do is let time take its toll and find a way of letting your kids know that your love is unconditional, almost always this is the way a child loves their parent. Negative vibes freom your ex will be seen as that and in the long run will be a noose aroundf her neck and not yours.
    Be well sis
    Tina x
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    March 16, 2009 1:26 AM GMT
    Things are getting better. I will go to the therapist with my kid where she will ask me some questions about being TG.

    Hey, if I could get through what happened to me almost four years ago I can get through anything.

    Thanks, everyone.

    Mere
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    March 16, 2009 2:28 PM GMT
    Mere, I know what you are going through because a similar thing happened after I split with my ex. She told them all about me and tried to use that. It backfired, however, because they really were not interested. All a child needs to know is that they are loved and their relationship with you is unaffected, everything else fits into place around that. I have no doubt that this will work out for both you and your daughter in the long run. There just might be a few issues and some questions to answer until then.

    Good luck and best wishes.

    Nikki
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    March 27, 2009 10:05 PM GMT
    This is an issue close to my heart at the moment, too. We've been debating when or whether to tell our teenager about his dad's gender issues for a while, but last week had the decision taken out of our hands when the lad arrived home early and caught dad in full girl-mode. He was hugely cool about it at the time, but has been reluctant to talk about it since which worries me a lot as he's normally good at sharing. I hope we've brought him up to be open-minded and respectful of others' individuality, but no way am I underestimating the shock it must have caused him. I'm waiting for the backlash to hit us.

    Personally I'm all for being as honest as possible with kids. After all, how many girls here were already wrestling with their gender identity as teens? How badly would we be letting down our son if he had similar issues (or any other issues of personal identity) and we had never given him the full picture? If he thought he was alone, when that was so not the case? Anyway, perhaps the next generation, lovely, tolerant and open as so many of them are, will be the ones to break down the closet door for ever and make the world a more accepting and friendlier place. We live in hope.

    Lots of love, Lizzie