Life Membership

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    February 12, 2010 10:58 AM GMT
    You may already know that there are a lot of things happening behind the scenes here at TW right now. We have a new name being delivered at any moment which will mean fairly expensive rebranding. We are going to try to introduce a new site design at the same time as we'll be changing the look anyway. It makes sense to do it all at once. That won't happen immediately but rather, gradually over the next few weeks.

    These are already very challenging times though so we need to find ways of bringing in some more pennies to help pay for it and to generally keep us afloat.

    To this end, I have come up with one last special offer from Trannyweb. Many of you have been loyal members for years and years and for that I thank you.

    I wonder if anyone would be interested in helping us to raise some much needed cash by becoming a Life Member? That is a Life Member of Trannyweb and the new organisation and any of it's successors too.

    You would then really be an elite member – the most elite there can be. Apart from the kudos you would also be helping TW at a time when we really need financial help.

    So, my next question, is how much should life membership cost? A health club near me charges 7 years subs for a life membership that lasts for ten years. Although it is a bargain to get 7 for 10, I think that is a swizz because life should mean life. Therefore, our Life Memberships will last for the life of the member or Trannyweb and its successors (whichever comes first). After all being transgender is for life!

    Over to you for discussion...

    Hugs, Katie x
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    February 12, 2010 12:56 PM GMT
    Hi Katie,

    Depending on how much it costs, I could be interested in a life membership. (Too bad I'm not 23, it'd be a better deal than with the 59 I currently am...)

    Best,
    Melody
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    February 12, 2010 4:50 PM GMT
    Hi Katie,

    Are the current membership rates posted anywhere on the TW site? If not, can you include them when you launch the Lifetime Membership option?

    Thanks,
    Melody
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    February 12, 2010 6:25 PM GMT
    "Annual Membership paid for by cheque or UK Postal Order in UK Sterling costs UK £61.99"
    There are various other options if you don't want to pay for a full year in one go. I'm not sure offhand if annual membership costs the same as the above when paying by credit card, but it sounds about right.
    To upgrade click on Membership FAQ's on the Member Services drop-down menu, all will be explained.

    Katie, I'd go for lifetime membership, but any more than a 4 or 5 year's worth charge would be pushing it for me.
    xx
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    February 12, 2010 7:22 PM GMT
    Thanks, Lucy.

    I was looking in the wrong place.

    For the USA:
    Annual Membership paid for by check or Money Order costs US$121.99.

    I think your 4 or 5 years membership for a Lifetime Memberships sounds about right to me.

    Best,
    Melody
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    February 13, 2010 1:45 PM GMT
    Hi Everyone-

    Sorry for the belated chime in here, but I've spent the last few days ruminating on this...yes, like an old cow. Personally, I think the idea of a Lifetime Membership is a good one, but as everyone has pointed out, paying a large or relatively large, lump sum in one go in these trying times can be nearly insurmountable for many of us. Of course, dividing it up into installments would be helpful but defeats the purpose of raising a large amount of money quickly in the short term.

    As anyone can see who looks at my profile, right now I'm at a Basic level, though for quite a few years I was at a Full Annual. Due to various personal circumstances, a job change for my wife and our relocation, my retirement and so on, we have been fiscally challenged and have cut back on all sorts of things such as magazine and online subscriptions and so on. Personally speaking, while I would love to be back on even a yearly basis, I don't know that that will happen anytime soon, let alone a Lifetime Membership. Sorry, don't mean to be going on about personal things.

    Anyway, I do think a Lifetime Membership is a good idea for those who can afford it, or an Annual or Monthly subscription, whatever is doable on an individual level. TW is worth supporting and is undoubtedly the best run site on the web.

    Hugs...Joni Mari
  • February 13, 2010 8:37 PM GMT
    This is probably a stupid suggestion, but a previous comment made me think!

    Shouldn't "life-membership" be cheaper the older you are?? For me it could last for 60 years or more, some of our more mature members may only get 10 years or less, for the same money would that be fair?

    Just a thought.

    Huggles

    Becca
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    February 13, 2010 9:16 PM GMT
    Life memberships have nothing to do with the life of the member, they have everything to do with the life of the organization. Therefore a good start would be for more of the FREE basic members to support the site and at least be paying members to ensure TW is around for years to come.
    Hugs,
    Marsha
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    February 13, 2010 9:37 PM GMT
    Hi Becca,

    I was just joking about Life Membership being a better deal for the young than for old broads like me.

    Sad truth is, most young folks probably couldn't afford a LM that would bring in enough funds for TWs transition to [name to be determined]. I'm not rich but I can afford to purchase a LM so long as the price isn't too dear. Sometimes the old have a responsibility to provide for the young.

    With luck, I'll be around to enjoy TWs successor for a long time to come...

    Best,
    Melody
  • February 13, 2010 9:37 PM GMT
    Does that mean that even after death "Life-Members" will remain members until the site folds???
    Will they still be able to post in the forums?
    Is there going to be a ouija board in the chat-room?

    Huggles,

    Becca
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    February 14, 2010 12:07 AM GMT
    ROTFLMAO. Will all non-corporeal members please remember to take their ectoplasmic residue with them when they leave the chatroom? Thank you.

    Hugs...Joni Mari
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    February 14, 2010 4:46 PM GMT
    Hi Katie.
    I will proberbly won,t be doing myself any favours by putting my view forward . I am a firm believer in "you get nothing for free in this life" and in this current reccesion and its fallout a lot more busineses will go under and you as a a business woman must be feeling it .
    To me looking from the outside everyone is paying to use your site!! "but" the only problem is you are not the one getting paid from every member , the broadband providers are though, i presume people paid for there PCs , i presume they pay for the electricity that runs it! .
    I believe however hard it maybe for some members that the word "free" needs to be very very basic such as cutting down on being able to communicate as much IE: Limit time allowed in chat to 30 mins per day , limit messages ect . I know a lot of members will not like that but like i said they pay for other stuff in life it may just make them think what they are being provided with.
    I have been on a few TG sites and i don,t mind admiting "being removed from one" as i watched it go down hill as it turned into basicly a porn and pickup site and that is what happens when the word "free" is mentioned on google ,maybe you should consider limited time say 30 days for people to decide if they wish to be part of your site before deciding wether they wish to stay then pay .
    I am sorry if this offends anyone but it is a fact of life paying for a product or a service . I cannot comment on life time membership as i have not been here very long .
    Hugs Julia x
  • February 14, 2010 5:00 PM GMT
    Hi Rebecca,

    I could probably afford a "Life Membership" but suspect the hook-up charges for "After-life" Internet access may be way to prohibitive for me.

    Hugz,
    MichelleLynn
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    February 14, 2010 5:18 PM GMT
    Hi Julia and thanks for your post.

    > To me looking from the outside everyone is paying to use your site!!

    It's interesting to hear you say that because although we have something approaching 30,000 members, way less than 1% are actually paying members. The rest are here for free.

    > maybe you should consider limited time say 30 days for people to decide if they wish to be part of your site before deciding whether they wish to stay then pay .

    A good idea and one that we have already been running for nearly three years now. If you haven't noticed then perhaps it's not high profile enough. However, we are about to discontinue that option because it's been abused by so many. People sign up for our thirty day free trial, read all of our articles, download the freebies, look at the photos and then cancel.

    In future, we might make it a 4 or five day free trial.

    Michelle, "After-life" that you mentioned is not a Trannyweb thing and would not affect your life membership here.

    I think that four to five years subs will be about right for life membership if that is the consensus here. Let’s call it 4.5 years then. If anyone is interested in becoming an elite Life Member, please drop me a line at [email protected]. Who’d like to be first?

    Hugs,

    Katie x
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    February 14, 2010 7:01 PM GMT
    Hi Katie .
    Thanks for pointing that out i am still finding my way around your site and did not know you had been running it for over 3 years , as you say "it is not high profile enough" .

    What you have here is top class site and i personaly think it is discusting that less than 1% of members pay for that , you cannot continue to run with a take up like that and that should be made clear to every member (if not already) and i think my point that the other services they get from life do not come free should be made clear to all of them or other examples of a similar kind .

    I called this a top class site! there is a reason for that , on other websites where TG-TS-CD is mentioned it attracts instantly others looking for sex so you should promote the fact more that this is not a pickup joint .All members should be proud to be a part of TW and use it as a place to be proud of there gender .

    Before i dig myself a deeper hole i would just like to say that i have noticed that a lot of non paying members seem to be on here more therefore getting more for less (i mean nothing) and also i have not been here long but another thing i have noticed is some non paying members seem to be able to pay for professional dressing and makeup services for there photos so putting it accross to others that they are well off and that is proberbly the case .

    One thing that has got me through life is i learned the only way to hurt a rich person is to take there money (i don,t mean steal it) that realy is true' i discovered that in my teens and it has helped me through life on many occasions , i cannot tell anyone what i do for a living as it comes under the data protection act but i see things that would prove my point and shock the knickers of anyone.
    Hugs Julia .
  • February 14, 2010 9:02 PM GMT
    Well Julia, you sure know how to make friends.

    Becca
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    February 14, 2010 9:11 PM GMT
    Katie, just curious, out of the 30,000 registered members how many could be classed as regularly active? If the number of members active is the figure you qouted, then less than 1% take up rate is very poor and there would be a number of reasons for that. I suspect the percentage of paying members amongst regularly active users would be higher. And, to be honest, that would be the figure I'd be using!

    For those who may feel the site should be pay only, that is your perogative. However, do try and remember that there will be a percentage of people - particularly in the TG community - who are experiencing very difficult financial circumstances. Are you really suggesting that they should be disenfranchised from what may be a lifeline to them? Perhaps, even, some of those who are on here frequently 'getting lots more for free' are not in full-time employment due to age or infirmity? Are you really saying, because you are ill and on a low income you are unwelcome at TW? That you'd like to close the door to them?

    Rae.

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    February 14, 2010 9:25 PM GMT
    Hi Rae, we have never closed the door on anyone and that may be why we are so poor. It has been said in the past that we give too much away for free and so there's little incentive to pay for Full Membership when the chat rooms, forums, blogs and most of the good stuff doesn't cost a bean.

    That model kind of worked okay when we still had good money coming in from our Google ads each month . But then they became trannyphobic and cut off that income stream leaving us to rely on the odd banner ad and our membership subs.

    As the world has gone deeper into recession, fewer members are opting for Full Membership and now times are exceptionally hard. I am planning a new Full Membership sales campaign for the spring but right now we have a new name to pay for, along with some new software and our usual stack of bills, which is why I'm offering Life Membership for those who can afford them. It's just a way that those who are better off can help us through this stormy time.

    Hugs, Katie x



    • 129 posts
    February 14, 2010 9:54 PM GMT
    Hi Becca.
    I find it better than having enemies which you seem to have in plenty but i don,t want to join them so i won,t respond to anymore of your remarks this is a one off . You can,t hurt me it is not possible! knowone can they can try but it just won,t happen .
    Bye bye Julia .
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    February 14, 2010 10:42 PM GMT
    Now, now girls - play nice!

    Hugs, Katie x
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    February 14, 2010 11:52 PM GMT
    Hi Katie .
    Its ok i said won,t respond anymore .
    Julia x .
  • February 15, 2010 1:27 AM GMT
    Julia,
    Well done, I'm sure you've made friends with 99% of the members by calling them "free-loaders" That's 29,700 people (Katie's stats- see above) that you are trying to do harm to by suggesting access to the site should be further restricted or terminated if they refuse to pay.
    I don't wish or need to harm you, your doing a fine job of that all by your self.

    Becca

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    February 15, 2010 2:10 AM GMT
    Girls, girls, girls... we will not be restricting access for anyone. Please don't fight in here. This thread is supposed to be about us trying to raise some much needed funds to keep our community afloat. We should not be at each other's throats. Can we keep it on topic please? Thanks.

    I'm pleased to say that the first person to opt for Life Membership has now contacted me. However, one swallow does not make a summer so if you can possibly afford to do so, please do take this opportunity to help your community and get yourself a bargain too.

    Thanks and hugs,

    Katie x
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    February 15, 2010 2:57 AM GMT
    Very heartfelt congrats to the first lifetime member - may many more follow suit!
    I don't like to see disparity. TW unites us. It's current perception that tries to divide.
    And - sorry, I can't resist - one swallow doesn't make a summer, but it can make a guy smile...
    Rae.
    [As someone who has suddenly found themselves relying on the state I appreciate the free bits of TW...]
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    February 15, 2010 12:07 PM GMT
    Katie, how do I go about looking into this?
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    February 16, 2010 5:13 PM GMT
    Hi Girls,

    Well, I've been a Lifetime Member of TW for almost a full day now. I believe I am the first, I'm sure I was the first one to e-mail Katie that I would upgrade.

    The process was a little clunky, in the US we IT folks have a saying, "You can always tell a pioneer by the arrows in [HER] back." I'm sure that the bugs will be sorted out for others.

    Katie, one suggestion: it would be nice if there was an additional membership level to add to Basic, Full Monthly, Full Quarterly and Full Annual. How about "Full Lifetime."? That would show that the LM has made a commitment to TW.

    Speaking of commitment to TW, I hope everyone will consider upgrading their membership, be it Basic to Full or Full to Lifetime. If TW is to survive, it will take many more of you to take action and take it now. I realize some are not in a position to do so at the moment, but before you dismiss upgrading I would hope you ask yourself if that's really the case. Also I'd ask you how important TW is to you. It's obviously very important to me.

    Best,
    Melody

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    February 16, 2010 6:58 PM GMT
    Hi Karen, if you'd like to be a Lifer too, just let me know and I'll organize it.

    And yes, the procedure is a bit clunky right now but you don't have to worry about that. It's mostly clunky for me.

    I am talking to Eric though, to see if we can get a new membership level sorted out for our Lifers. It's a lot more difficult than you might think though,because each membership level basically has a whole web site of it's own.

    Every page in the site has at least five different versions - one of each of the four membership levels and one for people who are not logged in. Then we also have some different pages for people from different countries and also pages for people who have different persuasions. It's very complicated but I'll talk to Eric about doing this.

    Thanks and huggies, Katie x

    PS If anyone else wants to be a Lifer, please drop me a line at [email protected].
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    March 1, 2010 1:28 PM GMT
    OK so now I'm a lifer. It's not about being able to come here for ever, though I hope TW will be around for a long time to come.
    It's about the good that came from being here when I needed it & wanting it to be here for others when they need it.
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    March 1, 2010 3:55 PM GMT
    Hi Karen,

    Congratulations!

    Best,
    Melody
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    March 1, 2010 7:58 PM GMT
    Hi,

    I am concerned about the sums with life membership. I dont know what members pay and how long they tend to pay for but I would say, for Life Membership to be both benificial to Member and bring reward to the site the cost of life membership should be more than the time the average member spends.

    For example...

    Say an average member stays with TW for 10 years while they go thro transition and then move on as their life returns to normality. if the cost of life membership is less than 10 years then the site will lose out, however, if people only tend to stay as paying members for 5 years, then it would work if the life membership costs more than 5.

    A tranny who has no intention of transitioning can be a member here for say 20 years. If this is a paying member then if the cost of the life membership is less than the cost of 20 years the site will lose out.

    I'm sure Katie has looked at the figures and worked out the threshhold point between the site losing money on life membership and the site making a little extra for life membership whether the member remains a life member or not.

    Regards
    Penny
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    March 1, 2010 8:28 PM GMT
    Hi Penny,

    I don't think long term profitability was the primary reason for offering Life Memberships, at least not from the membership itself. Rather, the idea is to raise funds now for the transition from Trannyweb to [name to be determined.] The new site would then be hopefully able to get revenues from things like Google ads and using PayPal for transactions. (Katie, if I got this wrong feel free to send me to my room without supper.)

    Even if there is some loss of money in the long term, the real problem, it seems to me, that we have 30,000 members and less than 1% are paying members. If even 10% became full members, the Life Membership down the line costs would be dwarfed by comparison.

    Just how I see it,
    Melody
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    March 1, 2010 8:49 PM GMT
    Earlier in this thread our own members set what they considered should be the correct level price for life membership at between four and five years worth of annual payments so that's what we've done. As Melody correctly suggested, this is not about a long-term investment for TW although it is a good long-term investment for anyone who is planning to stay longer than 4.5 years (and I hope that's everyone).

    This is more about raising some much needed cash to replenish our empty coffers to enable us to move forward in the short-term. We are already short of fund, we're in the middle of a recession, we're about to rebrand and we desperately need to replace parts of the site (like our aging messaging system).

    We need to find ways of generating the fund we need to pay for these projects and a heap more that are just around the corner. Life membership is just one idea for doing that. I realise that in 4.5 years time TW will start to be out of pocket but long before then it will have become a much better place for our girls because of the Life Membership scheme.

    And if we spend money now on improving the site then perhaps we'll be able to persuade more of our Basic members to upgrade to Full Membership.

    Hugs, Katie x
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    March 1, 2010 9:39 PM GMT
    The key here, as has been mentioned previously, is TW's ability to attract advertising dollars....and we're getting killed with the ways things are now...the name change will be a good thing and certainly a necessary move to survive...good long term vision I'd say! Thnx Katie!

    Traci
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    March 1, 2010 9:55 PM GMT
    I think the name change will hurt us a bit initially because a lot of people don't like change. No matter what name we come up with, there will always be some who won't like it and I'd guess, a few who will walk because of it.

    But as you rightly said Traci, this name change is about the long term. To make it happen we have to synchronise me, Eric the programmer and Alex the server administrator along with a few others too. It's a bit like launching a nuclear missile - we all have to turn our keys at the same time.

    We are currently looking at doing just that towards the end of this week so if you want to become a Lifetime Member while we are still TW, now's your chance girls. Drop me a line at [email protected] and bag a bargain while you still can.

    Hugs, Katie x