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Water boarding What if?

  • torture will only make these people more angry, especially if some of them are innocent and without a trial. These men will have this trauma for the rest of their lives and will seek revenge, and each time they talk about the torture on tv or internet, this breeds more hate. It's the same as hitting a naughty child, we only show violence to be copied later. What happens to many abused kids, they grow up, and many want revenge. I just think that torture is not the way to go.
      October 24, 2012 12:14 PM BST
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  • I think its fair to say I'd rather claw my own face off than get involved in this sort of rubbish.


     


    Conflict doesnt belong on this site.

      August 1, 2011 11:26 PM BST
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  • I gave up on this thread,  I thought it had been suspended.  The people doing most of the shouting avoided the question, which was directed at each individual on a what if basis.    dragging the thread into a pitiful abuse of peoples right to an honest opinion.    Typical example of why some people avoid the forums, it was a fair and logical question.     I made it quite clear and riterated the point it was not an us and them topic, it was about personal morality and would you think differently if you as an individual were directly affected.

    Cristine Jennifer Shye** Beware the toes you tread on today, they might be attached to the arse your forced to kiss tomorow. Contenplating involvement with a man? Make sure you can cook realy well or face having sex on a regular basis. Men are like paving slabs, lay them properly, they will stay put and you can walk over them for ever.
      August 1, 2011 10:30 PM BST
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  • Imagine there's no Heaven
    It's easy if you try
    No hell below us
    Above us only sky
    Imagine all the people
    Living for today


    Imagine there's no countries
    It isn't hard to do
    Nothing to kill or die for
    And no religion too
    Imagine all the people
    Living life in peace

    You may say that I'm a dreamer
    But I'm not the only one
    I hope someday you'll join us
    And the world will be as one

    Imagine no possessions
    I wonder if you can
    No need for greed or hunger
    A brotherhood of man
    Imagine all the people
    Sharing all the world


    You may say that I'm a dreamer
    But I'm not the only one
    I hope someday you'll join us
    And the world will live as one

    This post was edited by Princess Layla at August 1, 2011 10:03 PM BST
      August 1, 2011 9:58 PM BST
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  • I'm not rejoicing that he's dead, but think the world is a better place without him.   his god will judge him for his henious crimes.    I don't think the Americans had any choice, Its my personal opinion they have carried out an expediant and justified mission enacting revenge for all those innocents killed on their own soil.    War is war, soldier against soldier enemies, What make a terrorist different is deliberately slaughtering innocent people and celebrating their deaths.    Obama played it right as far as i'm concered, he displayed no glee or jubilation. just a matter of fact that in some small way justice was done.

    Cristine Jennifer Shye** Beware the toes you tread on today, they might be attached to the arse your forced to kiss tomorow. Contenplating involvement with a man? Make sure you can cook realy well or face having sex on a regular basis. Men are like paving slabs, lay them properly, they will stay put and you can walk over them for ever.
      May 23, 2011 11:36 PM BST
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  • While I'm certainly glad Bin Laden is dead, in a way I think he won. The US turned it's back on it's principles and the chances we'll ever know what actually happed in that compound are nonexistant, it's pretty clear that it was a state sponsored murder or assassination.


    I understand why: what do you do with a live Bin Laden, where do you try him, what new terrorist attacks would be done in retaliation for that trial, and there would have been endless political prices to pay no matter how Obama pursued it. A series of no win situations.


    And therein lies the rub, do you do what is politically expedient or do you follow your principles no matter what?

    <p><span style="color: #800080;">Girls will be boys and boys will be girls It's a mixed up muddled up shook up world except for Lola Lo-lo-lo-lo Lola</span> - Ray Davies, The Kinks</p> <p><span style="color: #3366ff;">(S)he's a walking contradiction, partly truth and partly fiction</span> - Kris Kristofferson</p>
      May 23, 2011 7:51 PM BST
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  • Time for honesty,   Well Osama Bin Laden is dead, killed by US troops.   Right how many of you, so opposed to waterboarding, Jumped with glee and punched the air shouting YESSSSS got you, you bastard.     How many think this act was legal, landing on foreign soil.    Executing an apparent unarmed man.  No tral. just.. bang... bang.    Yes i understand the complications and repercussions of putting him on trial.  

      May 23, 2011 6:54 PM BST
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  • This thread is hereby suspended due to continuing personal attacks substituting for the issue under discussion. Abuse will not be tolerated in The Forums. If you are that angry at a member, do not post.it. Take it private. THIS IS A LONG STANDING POLICY of this website.
    "A live lived in fear is a life half-lived." - Native American proverb. "Inside every man is a woman who was drowned in testosterone before birth". - Wendy Jeanette Larsen "It is better to be hated for what you are than loved for what you're not." - Andre Gide (French writer)
      November 27, 2010 10:17 AM GMT
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  • Ok, people. Those of you who do not know the difference between attacking an argument/position and attacking an individual are about to start having your posts deleted/edited or this thread suspended. Please read this link so that you will understand the difference:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/w[...]abusive

    Ad hominem abuse (also called personal abuse or personal attacks) usually involves insulting or belittling one's opponent in order to invalidate his or her argument, but can also involve pointing out factual but ostensible character flaws or actions which are irrelevant to the opponent's argument. This tactic is logically fallacious because insults and even true negative facts about the opponent's personal character have nothing to do with the logical merits of the opponent's arguments or assertions.

    We do NOT flame here at TGS. Please conduct yourselves as Ladies and Gentlemen or any properly behaved individual in between those heteronormative places.

    Please stop making our work harder than it already is. Thank you.
    "A live lived in fear is a life half-lived." - Native American proverb. "Inside every man is a woman who was drowned in testosterone before birth". - Wendy Jeanette Larsen "It is better to be hated for what you are than loved for what you're not." - Andre Gide (French writer)
      November 25, 2010 2:29 AM GMT
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  • 734
    My sincere apologies all! I'm not sure exactly when the last time was I had a little hissy fit! Can I blame the hormones? Thankyou for the kind comments they were deeply appreciated. Everyone is welcome to their opinion, of course, I just think I need to withdraw from the thread anyway before I put my foot somewhere which - given my personal beliefs - can only be my mouth again!
    Love and hugs
    Rae xxxxxx
    www.raekelcou.com
      November 24, 2010 9:07 PM GMT
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  • Melody,

    This definitely isn't a thread of Us vs UK, The British government under Tony Blair is every bit as guilty As the Bush Administration, and there has been as many arguments against torture from the US members as from the UK.

    It was of course started, as Cristine states by Bush's comments in his memoirs, though there has been a lot of controversy in the UK over the last few years due to "British"subjects being tortured by the US with the full knowledge of the British security service and government, no charges were ever brought against these men. (Compensation of several million pounds has recently been agreed with them to halt a potentially embarrassing court case)

    Becca
      November 24, 2010 7:43 PM GMT
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  • Melody,

    Sorry I had not considered that, and I was'nt having a dig, The Uk is not the innocent in all this either.. Bush was just news at the time with his biography, was just an example and ask people to question their own ethics if their lives depended on someone else being tortured. I was rather disappointed that someone like Rae was'nt being taken seriously. and Rae's integrity was under question.
    Cristine Jennifer Shye** Beware the toes you tread on today, they might be attached to the arse your forced to kiss tomorow. Contenplating involvement with a man? Make sure you can cook realy well or face having sex on a regular basis. Men are like paving slabs, lay them properly, they will stay put and you can walk over them for ever.
      November 24, 2010 5:55 PM GMT
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  • Hi Cristine,

    I was the one who questioned this thread, but it was not the subject but rather the timing.

    We had just had threads frozen and posts hidden due to "us vs. them" or "them vs. us" type posts. While you are entitled to post anything you want anytime you want, a UK resident questioning a US torture procedure in the hostile environment you did could have easily set off the nastiness again. I feared this would open fresh wounds.

    Happily, while it has hardly been civil ("stick it up your ass") it has been relatively free of the UK vs. USA type bickering.

    For the record, in 600 plus posts I have hardly, if ever, mentioned panties.

    Best,
    Mellie
    <p><span style="color: #800080;">Girls will be boys and boys will be girls It's a mixed up muddled up shook up world except for Lola Lo-lo-lo-lo Lola</span> - Ray Davies, The Kinks</p> <p><span style="color: #3366ff;">(S)he's a walking contradiction, partly truth and partly fiction</span> - Kris Kristofferson</p>
      November 24, 2010 5:32 PM GMT
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  • Rae. xxXxx

    I will give you one good reason, but firstly, people should not question your integrity or question your own personal beliefs. The reason...,Your moral code should be the basis for any aspiring civilised society. I would like to think like you do, but know I do not have the courage. I was rather amazed that someone questioned why I raised this thread.. All because basically I had one of those what if moments and found myself confused. being a ''Tranny'' is not all about thongs or knickers etc, etc, some of us are interested in the plight of the world,, Now and again having a serious moment of thought about what a depraved and dastardly species we can be.

    Some of the rhetoric in here would suggest some are not so genteel and if one has a different opinion or a different moral code they would like to smash your face in??? What next lol would they waterboard you into their way of thinking???
    Cristine Jennifer Shye** Beware the toes you tread on today, they might be attached to the arse your forced to kiss tomorow. Contenplating involvement with a man? Make sure you can cook realy well or face having sex on a regular basis. Men are like paving slabs, lay them properly, they will stay put and you can walk over them for ever.
      November 24, 2010 5:00 PM GMT
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  • Basically-that you are a mean-minded reactionary and can't take criticism.OK?
      November 24, 2010 9:33 AM GMT
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  • Alison,
    If you care to read what I posted again, you will see that I was not "blighting" Sophie at all. In fact, I was supporting what she did.
    The point I was making, was that although Sophie was a "pacifist" ...she still helped out as much as she could. Although she could not bring herself to "directly" do violent acts, she at least realized that sabotage was in fact, necessary. She had the courage to act (in her own way) and helped the situation. She did not just "stick her head in the sand" ...like so many others did.

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    <p>Doanna Highland</p>
      November 24, 2010 6:22 AM GMT
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  • nina,
    What does the KKK and "Sieg Heil!" have to do with what has been said?
    Do you just add that crap for effect?

    "I am disgusted and ashamed to be a member of such a reactionary and mean-minded group of people-didn't know the KKK was alive still and 'Kicking ass' still in the US-shame on you-Donna and Marcia!
    Had my belly-full of you-good bye!Sieg Heil! "
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    <p>Doanna Highland</p>
      November 24, 2010 5:57 AM GMT
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  • Donna,

    I was merely commenting upon how your post sounded to me, - Laughable..
    You obviously missed my point completely, or perhaps just ignored it, as it doesn't suit yours?

    I've better things to do than to cut and paste then comment directly upon every detail, I also find that behaviour rude and totally unnecessary.

    Becca
      November 24, 2010 5:45 AM GMT
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  • Rebecca,
    1) I never supported the indiscriminate use of torture at all! There is nothing indiscriminate about getting a warrant. Over here, you need "probable cause" and usually a judge to approve it!!

    2) Where in any of my postings did you read that? Why don't you copy where I posted that I support indiscriminate use of torture and post it for all to see...instead of lying!!!
    I question why you choose to lie about what I said - does it make you feel "morally superior" or is it just a feeble attempt at twisting what I said ...to gain support for your own position in the matter. If you need to lie to validate what you believe in....then you should question that belief?


    "You support the indiscriminate Torture of the "Evil Foreigner" without a blink then say that the security services will get a "warrant" to search a suspects house before said torture would occur??? "

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    Remember girls!!!...the Soylent Green is always stored on the "left" side of the pantry


    <p>Doanna Highland</p>
      November 24, 2010 5:20 AM GMT
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  • Rae, and Jane, thank you for your comforting conclusions.
    I will say again, I think we have slightly gone to the us against us! We need not worry about them.
    It makes me wonder, what some new girls, or the cautious girls in here think.

    Tammy
    <p>A life without purpose, is a life without reason!</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>&nbsp;myspace.com/tammybrianne</p>
      November 24, 2010 5:04 AM GMT
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  • "Rae" one good reason why to hang in there. Over the years you have been a valued voice of reason, And many such as myself would truly miss you.
    As for the thread. ITS GOT A TAD OUT OF HAND!!
      November 24, 2010 2:40 AM GMT
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  • Rae, that was said as a joke. I'm sorry you missed it. And I'm sorry I can't say cat is spelled with a "c" without getting jumped on here by the usual people. I often ask myself the same thing you are asking.
    Hugs,
    Marsha
      November 24, 2010 2:39 AM GMT
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  • How pleasant that the memory of someone such as Sophie Scholl would be blighted in a forum from a society that wishes to be tollerated and treated with understanding by society. I wonder if someone is merely tryingto rile people :)
      November 24, 2010 2:02 AM GMT
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  • 734
    "Doanna, it is all a conspiracy, I just know it."
    Hugs,
    Marsha


    No you don't.

    Seriously 'though, please give me one good reason to hang on in there with trannyweb / gender society? I hate the bitchiness, I hate the warfare. I can totally understand the 'I'm female, goodbye'. I hate the onslaughts, I hate the pillaging. Just give me one simple reason after the surprising attacks ...
    www.raekelcou.com
      November 24, 2010 1:43 AM GMT
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  • Doanna, it is all a conspiracy, I just know it.
    Hugs,
    Marsha
      November 23, 2010 4:15 PM GMT
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