>> Carol, I've spelt it out briefly @ May 12, 2013 2:48 AM EST
You should really get 'on trend' lol
Carol Uren (Site Moderator) said:
Chalice is arguing for something different, what I don't know as she will not spell it out, despite being asked on many occasions.
This post was edited by Former Member at May 11, 2013 6:43 PM BST
Traci, you are still lumping cross hormone therapy with the RLE - it isn't they are two distinct entities (and you answered before I had managed to finish my edit ). For me personally I would argue for hormones and electrolysis as a definite need prior to transition, but only under medical supervision - but no surgery until the person has done the RLE.
Carol, I could align my ducks with that, however, there is much more available prior to RLE than just hormones and laser hair removal.
Carol Uren (Site Moderator) said:
Traci, you are still lumping cross hormone therapy with the RLE - it isn't they are two distinct entities (and you answered before I had managed to finish my edit ). For me personally I would argue for hormones and electrolysis as a definite need prior to transition, but only under medical supervision - but no surgery until the person has done the RLE.
This post was edited by Former Member at May 11, 2013 7:10 PM BST
I'm backing out of this discussion...(smile)
Ciao~
Traci xoxo
Well yeah! Haven't we done enough?
Ideas need time to steep! lol
Traci Lee O'Gara said:
I'm backing out of this discussion...(smile)
Ciao~
Traci xoxo
This post was edited by Former Member at May 11, 2013 7:15 PM BST
I'm basically a thread killer Chalice! LOL
xoxo
Those who are not treated in adolescence may continue to struggle to conform; they may embark on relationships, marriages and parenthood in an attempt to lead ‘normal’ lives by suppressing their core gender identity. Ultimately, however, they may be unable to continue with the charade of presenting themselves as something they know they are not. The artificiality of their situation drives individuals to seek treatment to minimise the mismatch between the brain and the bodily appearance. They experience an overwhelming need to be complete, whole people and to live in accordance with their internal reality. Until this is achieved, the personal discomfort is such that it leads to great unhappiness and sometimes to suicidal feelings.
An extract from something I wrote some time ago http://gendersociety.com/articles/231/gender-variant-people
got some of that minoxidol from boots today got there own brand in spray form .. will start to use
it was £20 for a months worth and to be used 2x daily
and your not kidding that "laser comb by Hair Max" thing is expensive will have to save up a little for that wish i had the money
Good for you Rebecca! I pay around $22 US for 3 months of the liquid using the store brands...I have way too much hair for the foam to work deep into my scalp! It will take quite a while to see results, so be patient. One day you'll notice a whole bunch of tiny little hairs pokibg thru you other hair...guess what? They grow!!! (smile)
Best wishes always!
Traci xoxo
those stores dont happen to deliver to the uk do they ??
I think it is imperative that early identification and intervention is developed and implemented as soon as possible. To not do so is immoral and unethical. The repression of gender identity has tragic consequences. In my case, it was like a puppy peaking out from under the bed covers, threatening to jump out and play only to be thwarted by the big dogs, which ultimately resulted in rampaging, suicidal werewolf like episodes. If societies can foster and perpetuate the heterosexual model to those who ultimately prove unsuitable, surely similar variants of interpersonal relationships for those more apt could be supported.
I might take a raincheck on your article just for now. I've just spent two weeks on the last two Carol has initiated. But I will come back to it.
Next time I ask: Where are the articles, journals, books and readings, I'll be more circumspect. lol.
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Cristine, Shye (GS Admin) said:
Those who are not treated in adolescence may continue to struggle to conform; they may embark on relationships, marriages and parenthood in an attempt to lead ‘normal’ lives by suppressing their core gender identity. Ultimately, however, they may be unable to continue with the charade of presenting themselves as something they know they are not. The artificiality of their situation drives individuals to seek treatment to minimise the mismatch between the brain and the bodily appearance. They experience an overwhelming need to be complete, whole people and to live in accordance with their internal reality. Until this is achieved, the personal discomfort is such that it leads to great unhappiness and sometimes to suicidal feelings.
An extract from something I wrote some time ago http://gendersociety.com/articles/231/gender-variant-people
This post was edited by Former Member at July 11, 2014 10:09 PM BST
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This post was edited by Former Member at May 12, 2013 10:49 AM BSTChalice, quite often it is the parents who repress the outward manifestations of transgender behaviour in their child and it is only open minded parents who might worry about their child's bhaviour and seek help from their medical practitioner. This is a societal problem and not caused by the medical profession for not spotting and identifying it in the child.
It is becoming easier these days and more and more children are presenting as transgender these days, the Portman Institute has reported a doubling of numbers in the number of cases reporting each year over the past 4 or 5 years. In this day of the 'Blame Culture' it is all too easy to start pointing the finger and saying, it was their fault, they repressed me and didn't allow myself to be me. Well that is all very well up to the age of around 16, but as an adult, if you had known about how you felt about yourself, then any blame has to stop with you - nobody else. Take Rebecca for example - she has taken control of her own destiny now and is in her early twenties. Forty years ago in the dark ages, I did the same in my late 20's. Stop blaming others, it is you yourself that is keeping you a prisoner - just open the cell door and walk out, if you want to.
Lucy Diamond said:
I actually thought it was a well written article, though I wouldn't agree with all the points made. But the article did tend to suggest that you can't make sweeping statements for the whole TG world; gender issues manifest themsleves in many different ways. Chalice, you have a real problem with the whole RLE thing. In a way so did I before I started on it, it's hard not to be a little nervous about it. I feel it was a leap of faith, not brave, but perhaps just a teeny bit of courage doesn't go amiss. When I changed my name and everything that went with it and actually got out there and did it, you know it wasn't too bad at all. It is after all a means to an end, and at the end of the day you don't have to do if you don't want to. I'm not going to try and tell anyone how they should transition, but I would suggest that they take control, do it how they want, and basically just get on with it if they really want to live and be accepted as female. Also when reading articles like these, I feel compelled to tell others that not everyone suffers "psychological anguish" when transitioning, indeed in my case transitioning in no uncertain terms put an end to all that. RLE, everything that comes with it and after it, is not hell for all of us, not humiliating or distressing, and we don't necessarily suffer abuse... ever! Sure, sure, I'm lucky, must be blessed or something eh? Or maybe I just got out there, bit the bullet and did it, and found the experience to be the start of the rest of my real life. If you intend to live as a woman you're going to have to start one day. Your circumstances may not allow that, or the voice in your head may not allow it, mine did. It's there if you want it. xx
Brilliantly put Lucy.
This post was edited by Princess Layla at May 12, 2013 10:30 AM BSTCarol, I am sure there are further issues and they also need their time on the board. But it takes days, if not weeks, to carefully consider how to respond to different articles and then construct a response that doesn't simply skirt over the dilemmas they present. I've had my fill of this article.
Nevertheless, the current state of transsexuality and its reception and acceptance in society has no peer, particularly for those contemplating, preparing for, or living, transition. Dialogue is essential to the expansion and development of an anthropology, philosophy, even a theology of transexuality. Its early days yet.
I should also thank you for putting up the article.
Sincerely
Thank you
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This post was edited by Former Member at July 11, 2014 10:10 PM BSTPerhaps if you replied in plain English instead of slaving over gobbledgook in your replies, it would take you far less time LOL
lol If you look at my comments again you might see that they are plain English. Think of it as the result and consequence of your English School System that was adopted by your antipodes.
Carol Uren (Site Moderator) said:
Perhaps if you replied in plain English instead of slaving over gobbledgook in your replies, it would take you far less time LOL
Very powerful words and emotions Lucy - most of which I agree with. If Chalice has doubts about transitioning she should not be projecting her own fears about transitioning on others, people are particularly vulnerable at this point in their lives and to be constantly harping on about the difficulties is not particularly helpful for those intent on transitioning.
To anybody who is considering transitioning, this is meant to be one of the most joyous occasions in your life, don't let people ruin this for you because of their own self doubts or timidity.
Lucy just about sums it all up, well thought out explanation.
Perhaps some of the posts here should be transfered to the procrastination thread,
I've told you before Crissie, sometimes your humour can be just plain wicked (lol)
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What we have here is the perfect example of respected women like Lucy Carol and Crissie (and others including myself) telling of what real life is all about and one person who pretends to know what real life is all about. People will never get anywhere in life just talking about it and doing nothing.
I still say and will keep saying it that if any person says they have gender dysphoria and can go through life doing nothing about it then they do not have it or suffer from it. You can hide from it for a while but it will get you in the end and then and only then can anyone come here and preach about it .
Some very interesting posts here and some very very confusing ones.
Julia xx
This post was edited by Former Member at July 11, 2014 10:17 PM BSTThat was an incredibly well thought out post Lucy! Thanks for taking the time to share your feelings and thoughts on this.
Traci xoxo
I agree Traci Lucy sums it all up . And there should be no fear in transition. Sometimes bad things happen to us but bad things happen to all people from all walks of life.
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I have had very little to add to this thread, but watched with interest. Why? because my circumstances were a lot different. I was frightened, had a lot of uncertainties, knew very little,
I still wonder, is it more dificult to transition later in life after you have established a 'life' or younger.
The feelings of being transgendered, although at the time I had'nt a clue what that was, were savagely kicked out of me. At 12 years old, I was ''a pervert, a Fking queer, a disgrace, not in this family. no son of mine'' I started RLE at 16. nothing official, led a somewhat secluded and quiet 2 years and then went of to join a community that was all accepting in 2001, got used to myself and did'nt have surgery till 2007. There will always be a certain amount of trepadation with taking on challenges. the thought of the prize at the end, surely must be the ultimate satisfaction in whatever one does, hobbies, to look on something and be able to say to yourself ''I made that'' not for anyone else, but for ones own satisfaction, life is like that, not for anyone else, just to be able to say I won, I made it.