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Bravery/Courage or No Other Way

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  • *Sweet corn*

     I have special powers to Debs xx

      May 13, 2013 7:49 PM BST
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  • Carol, Carol, Carol. Oh, its raining Carols, or maybe its just too early for Caroling. lol.

    Try to keep up darling! My comment went to Debs: "I beg your pardon? I don't know about here, but on other equally reputable forums these sorts of comments are banned." Its borrowed from another forum yet, as I said, railroading forums is fairly universal and I admit avoiding it takes some practise. A warning here, a ban there.

    Debs has said it was done in jest, but let me be the smart arse just once: "Deceipt is often hidden behind jest" quote - mine.                     

    Carol Uren (Site Moderator) said:

    Where exactly in our forum rules does it explicitly state that Chalice.  You cannot make the rules up as you go along you know and then start quoting them at other members.  I really would be grateful if you could point out where that passage is on this site.

    Surprised

    Chalice

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    This post was edited by Former Member at May 13, 2013 9:13 PM BST
      May 13, 2013 9:05 PM BST
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  • For crying out loud will you just give up? An observation! The person with the user name Chalice Brendale .

    You could have made your point in one single post "But" You have no point to make it is just nonsense . None of it makes any sense at-all.

    You have no idea of how to explain your transition because there is no transition you have made that clear here and in other threads.

    Another observation! You say you are a teacher yet spend every waking hour on a trans website! Do you not have any responsibility for your students?.

     

    This topic is about RLE and Bravery and Courage so as it is clear to most you have no experience on any of those subjects just talk sense or let it drop . You are an insult to intelligent people who know what they are talking about.

    Carol posted this for others to learn from and to inform people and allow normal discussion. You have made this all about you you you not Carol Carol Carol . The problem is we are still no wiser from your 10.000 words! It is more fun reading the terms and conditions for iTunes and that is 36.000 words long.

    This post was edited by Former Member at May 13, 2013 9:46 PM BST
      May 13, 2013 9:22 PM BST
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  • FFS you peeps all need your heids banging together.......no need for all this petty bitchingFrown

    "When the world gets in my face i say HAVE A NICE DAY"
      May 13, 2013 11:51 PM BST
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  • Chalice,

    Unlike you, a number of people here have gone through RLE- so until your have actually experienced RLE you don't really have any first hand knowledge in which to base your assumptions. Further,

    1) You seem to ignore other peoples first hand knowledge of the matter, and in turn, attack their positions and have turned this forum into some kind of contest in which you think you can make the highest "Pee-stain" on the wall.

    2) Cristine made a good point...you can't normally expect to get your driving licence...without  first taking lessons. Just because you THINK you can drive does not mean you actually drive safely.

    3) When a person is first hired at a workplace, there is usually a trial period to allow the person to learn the subtleties of the job and to prove to the employer that the person can actually do the job. The same goes for the National Health Program or the equivalent in your country. Why should that organization allow you to undergo something as serious (and expensive) as Gender Reassignment Surgery and/or Hormone Therapy until you have proven to them that it is in your best interests and that you will function well afterwards.

    4) A little knowledge is dangerous!!

    <p>Doanna Highland</p>
      May 14, 2013 7:12 AM BST
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  • Cristine, I have read the piece you composed and also the comments that followed it.

    In accordance with the facts that you both have presented I have extended those ideas to what seems to me to be sound, logical and natural consequences.   

    The replies made by Jakie Smith are classic 'axe to grind' comments. Nevertheless, she has made an excellent analysis of the scientific findings. However, she can only make her criticism by standing on the shoulders of the original poster (Cristine). Still, this should not detract from the impasse created by her (Jakie's) comments. " Bigenderism proves that gender can, in fact, fluctuate."

    So while Katie makes an adequate analysis of the scientific findings, she fails to present a persuasive synthesis of the status quo. Fortunately, I can do that. 

    Although, the fact that gender fluctates has been confirmed by scientific inquiry, a fluctuating gender is not particular, or exclusive, to the Bigendered. If we accept that gender fluctuates then; it fluctuates for the uber masculine and the cis feminine, as well as those who are Bigendered. In other words, gender fluctation is common to all genders.

    What is being missed in Katie's argument is that while gender fluctuates across all genders the thing that is important to consider is the base state of that fluctuation which gives each person their gender identity. Each time gender fluctuates it returns to a resting state. For some the base/resting state will be male and for others it will be female, while some others will be Bigendered and many will fall at different degrees on either side of the spectrum.

    I don't know, I have a thing about early identification. Today our transsexual student (15yo) told us he is Gay. S/he's not Gay though, s/he's Transsexual. My concern is that s/he won't find the peace of he/r resting state until s/he reaches an awareness of he/r condition, and that doing nothing on my part and allowing things to slowly and progressively get worse is immoral and unethical.

    Cristine, Shye (GS Admin) said:

    Those who are not treated in adolescence may continue to struggle to conform; they may embark on relationships, marriages and parenthood in an attempt to lead ‘normal’ lives by suppressing their core gender identity. Ultimately, however, they may be unable to continue with the charade of presenting themselves as something they know they are not. The artificiality of their situation drives individuals to seek treatment to minimise the mismatch between the brain and the bodily appearance. They experience an overwhelming need to be complete, whole people and to live in accordance with their internal reality. Until this is achieved, the personal discomfort is such that it leads to great unhappiness and sometimes to suicidal feelings.

    An extract from something I wrote some time ago     http://gendersociety.com/articles/231/gender-variant-people

    Chalice

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    This post was edited by Former Member at May 15, 2013 10:54 AM BST
      May 14, 2013 11:18 AM BST
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  • Chalice Brendale said: I have a thing about early identification. Today our transsexual student (15yo) told us he is Gay. S/he's not Gay though, s/he's Transsexual. My concern is that s/he won't find the peace of he/r resting state until s/he reaches an awareness of he/r condition, and that doing nothing on my part and allowing things to slowly and progressively get worse is immoral and unethical.

    So you have a thing about early identification do you? Well to start you could show HER some respect and not reffer to them as HE/SHE I call that knocking them back before they begin. Do her a favour and stay away from her.

    For someone heading towards their 60s "your thing" about early identification holds no water.

     

    Again this thread is about RLE Bravery and Courage of which you know nothing of .

    There are all types of people in this world and amongst us we have talkers and doers . Now the doers get the talkers talking whilst the talkers just keep on talking about the doers. The doers do things that is why they are called doers. Then the talkers keep digging a big hole for themselves and the only way they can (in their mind) to get out of that hole is to keep having a go at the doers. It is not working Can you not see that? .

     

    Can you actually see anything apart from your own nonsense arguments?.

     

    Come back to this when you can explain yourself in one single post. Show some respect for the ones that do know what they are talking about and stop turning every point in this thread around just to suit you . Your continuous insults to other peoples intelligence are getting you no where.

    I may not have had an education but at least I say what I mean and mean what I say. Your long words mean nothing if there is no real explanation and I can't see one here.

     

    Thank you everyone you have been a wonderful audience.

     

    Julia.

     

    This post was edited by Former Member at May 31, 2013 9:58 PM BST
      May 14, 2013 2:48 PM BST
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  • A Care Plan may be drawn up jointly between the service user and the clinician (GPs are not obliged to do this formally), but it may be necessary to amend or even
    abandon the Care Plan when circumstances change. Trans people often need to ‘feel’ their way forward, in their own time.

     

    Thats about as ambivilant as it gets,  Whats the problem with RLE,  I think its quite comprehensive, a sensible plan.   remember in this age of litigation ''Health authorities, have a duty of care''   Chucking pills, remedies or surgical procedures without substantiating a NEED is dangerous and expensive.

     

    http://gendersociety.com/forums/topic/9358/transgender-wellbeing-and-health

    Cristine Jennifer Shye.  B/L.  B/Acc
      July 5, 2013 3:11 PM BST
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    I don't know, I have a thing about early identification. Today our transsexual student (15yo) told us he is Gay. S/he's not Gay though, s/he's Transsexual. My concern is that s/he won't find the peace of he/r resting state until s/he reaches an awareness of he/r condition, and that doing nothing on my part and allowing things to slowly and progressively get worse is immoral and unethical.

     

    Are you qualified, or is it even ethical for you to intervene.   presuming this is one of your students.    From your own uncertainty and standpoint you could leave yourself open to critism, promoting transgenderism to suit your own aims

     

     

    Chalice Brendale  Said

    Cristine, the doctors and 'shrinks' who are not advancing the interests of individual transsexuals are part of the problem so siding with them is simply sleeping with the enemy. There is a culture of litigation but by the same token it is a buyer beware environment as well. The consumer of medical services needs to be fully advised in order to be able to make 'informed decisions.'


    It is not in the interest of the subject patient, or the medical proffession to promote or misguide anyone.    People who specialise in this subject, gender councellors must eastablish a need, they are not on commission, selling a product.    They are required to establish a need and in the main do it very well, at least here they do.

    Cristine Jennifer Shye.  B/L.  B/Acc
    This post was edited by Cristine Jennifer Shye. BL at July 5, 2013 10:16 PM BST
      July 5, 2013 3:40 PM BST
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  • That went well, Tongue out

    Cristine Jennifer Shye.  B/L.  B/Acc
      March 21, 2015 9:18 PM GMT
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  • It did Crissie it needs bringing back to attentionSmile.

      March 22, 2015 7:38 PM GMT
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