Escorting

    • 1198 posts
    October 5, 2004 2:26 PM BST
    Hi all,
    Just thought i'd ask this question, what do you think and feel about TS/TV's escorting for a living? Do you think they are degrading themselves? Do you class them as prostitutes? It will be intresting to see what you girls think..........love JJ xx
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    October 5, 2004 2:33 PM BST
    Thanks Joni sis, that would be my pleasure xx.......love JJ xx
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    October 5, 2004 3:20 PM BST
    Joni,
    i suppose i am looking for girls to say they are ok with it like you have, Well thats what i do now for a living........Shock , horror (i can see some of your faces now), it pays well and its up to me if it goes any further. I just escort and the other well i'd rather not go into that, the way i look at it is the money will help with my transitioning. Does that sound stupid or does it mean i am using the oldest job in the world for my good?........love JJ xx
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    October 5, 2004 3:37 PM BST
    hi julie and joni, to answer ur question jj, i would say its a good idea to a point. if it gets u wot u want, then why not, and as joni says, some just want a decoration on their arm. as to anything more, thats up to the individual, all i will say is this, just be carefull hun and keep ur wits about u. good luck. course the advantage is that u get a free feed and maybe get to see places and ppl u wouldnt normally.
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    October 6, 2004 7:44 AM BST
    Joni, Gloria and Sandra,
    Thank you for your concern it means alot, i dont take great pride in what i am doing, i see it as a means to an end. I need money for my transitioning and this is the only way i can get it. I apologise if i show TS/TV's in the wrong light as this was not my intention.
    Its not a long term thing as i say, its a means to an end. However i will think long and hard to what i am doing and see where it takes me.........love and hugz JJ xx
  • October 8, 2004 8:15 PM BST
    If one has sex with someone for money, one is a prostitute. Otherwise not. Or so say I.

    btw I have a number of social friends who are or were hookers and I don't think that there is anything wrong with it, as long as one practices safe sex. But it does seem to be a life that is very hard on the hooker, and unsafe on several levels as well.
  • April 20, 2005 11:47 PM BST
    JJ I don't think there is any thing wrong with it as long as taking off your cloths for him isn't involved . I mean if all it intales is meeting a gemelman @ his hotell (loby not room) and being his date for the evning for a special event then I see nothing wrong with it. However if it involves anything more that that than I say Yes it is prostution.
    Sory if I lecurted in this, but you asked for it
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    • 1980 posts
    October 5, 2004 2:30 PM BST
    JJ, honey, you can escort me anywhere you'd like, anytime you'd like.

    Hugs, Joni
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    October 5, 2004 3:03 PM BST
    Hi again, JJ. Thanks, you're such a sweetie.

    To be a bit more serious. Personally I don't think there's anything wrong with it, so long as the rules are clear as to what being an escort includes and doesn't include. However, to most people, I think they merely consider escorts to be highly paid hookers. Sorry if that's crude. However, an escort can be just that and only that, an attractive woman, whether t or g, who goes out with men and provides conversation and a decoration for their arm. Kind of like the old concept of the geisha in Japan.

    Hugs, Joni
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    October 5, 2004 7:57 PM BST
    Well, JJ and others, to be totally clear about my feelings on this topic, I believe that whatever a person wants to do with their own body is their business. I have nothing against prostitution in and of itself. I do have very strong negative feelings about people, especially children of either sex, being hooked on drugs by pimps and put out on the street. I feel the same about women being beaten and abused by pimps. But otherwise whatever an adult who has the capability of making up their own mind wants to do, that's their business.

    Hugs, Joni
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    October 7, 2004 12:13 AM BST
    Hi JJ and Gloria and Sandra.

    At first I was going to get a bit defensive, but after some reflection, Gloria and Sandra, you are right, as you so often are. How we conduct ourselves in our TS lives does reflect on all of us. I stand by what I said about each adult having the right do what they wish so long as they're not harming someone else. But there's direct harm and indirect harm and the indirect harm to the TG community is something that should be considered.

    And JJ, I can understand how much your desire to transition is motivating your choices and what you do is your decision, of course. But like Gloria said, please do be careful. I know you're the Warrior Maiden but there are a lot of sick, bad, f*cked up people out there, as I'm sure you know. I would hate to lose one of my sisters to some messed up lunatic.

    Hugs, Joni
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    October 7, 2004 12:20 AM BST
    JJ,

    I need to think about this one for a bit before I respond. In the meantime, just be SAFE. As mom used to say..."wear your rubbers when it's raining".

    Love,
    Wendy
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    October 12, 2004 12:51 AM BST
    JJ, I must admit that I have very mixed feelings about this. Not to reiterate too much of what has already been said, what you do with your life is up to you, as is how far you go with your dates. But there are too many sick people out there who will hurt people such as yourself. What concerns me most is your safety.

    I don't know if I agree whole-heartedly that this is a bad reflection on the TG community. I don't see it as a totally TG issue, because it isn't. I can tell you from some arguments at home we are seen as disgusting perverts, yet so many "straight" people engage in some, shall we say, "interesting" sexual habits. But whenever we do something outside of the mainstream we're considered to be sick.

    As for "bad reflections" on any community, I can say this - my wife is black, and whenever someone from the "black community" does something stupid, like a violent crime, she doesn't feel it reflects on her. Yes, people will say "Those people are horrible because of this reason," yet she knows enough to distance herself from that image.

    Please be careful. Love you, Mere XXXOOO
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    October 12, 2004 1:31 AM BST
    Whether it involves sex or not, you are providing a service. People can say it's wrong but it's going to happen anyway; there is a demand for it.
    If it feels good, do it. If it feels good and pays well then that is job satisfaction.
    I have no problem with you doing this JJ, and I would be genuinely interested to hear how it's going. Somehow I think you know how to look after yourself.
    xx
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    October 12, 2004 10:28 AM BST
    i must admit,JJ that i was surprised when i heard what you were doing.but it doesn't bother me one bit cos you'll still be the same old JJ inside,whatever you do honey.It's not hurting anybody so go for it,just be careful eh hun.Love maria xxxx
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    October 12, 2004 10:42 AM BST
    Frankly, I'm sick and tired of people telling me how I should live my life. I grew up at a time when you went to Church or were ostrasized by society. If I listened to people telling me how I should behave because it makes them look bad or uncomfortable or is "bad", I would never wear feminine clothes or makeup. I would be hiding in a closet, thinking I was El Macho while trying to get my foot in a stocking. You know what is bad for society? Oppression. If prostitution was legal, it would not be nearly as dangerous, for the sex workers and their clients. If drugs were not illegal we could use the money wasted on a losing war on drugs to treat the addicts and relieve the social conditions that lead to addiction. Instead we make illegal drugs so expensive that a large portion of the world is run by narcosyndicates instead of governments. Money that supports terrorism would be stopped and taxes on marijuana could be used to fight terrorism and provide for homeland defense. Where does it stop? Not here at TW. When I came here there were those who would tell me how I should behave, when I should dress, what priorities I should put on my life. MY life. MY transgenderism. ME.

    My family had no right to force me to go to Church because not going would reflect badly on them and because it was "good" for me than people have a right to tell someone how to live their life. Express an opinion, certainly. This is the "forum" for it. But not everyone agrees with The Truth. If someone is not directly hurting me, or someone else, more power to them. Just because a third party abuses a second party over what a first party does is NOT the first parties responsibility...unless they choose to make it so. The problem lies with the third party. They are the sick ones. We are each responsible for maintaining our own self respect. We can group together to do it. What we should not do is insist on conformity. Viva La Differance! You either stand up for yourself and take it like a woman or live like a sheep and be herded around. Don't make it someone else's job to change their life to make your's easier.

    In my old neighborhood, when drug dealers/gangs were shooting people down in the street, injuring those who tried to organize against them. People were afraid to stand up to them. I went out and dealt with it. It was that or let it continue to get worse. My ggfriend did it with me....then a few people joined in...very few. When we left the neighborhood, those who did nothing, came foward and said "But you can't go, who will stop the drug dealers?" They had never spoken to us before. They had not taken responsibility for their own lives. Ladies, you do it yourself and don't make it somebody else's responsibility. You don't demand respect, you command it. Be a lady and you will be treated like one more often than not. There will always be the ignorant and cruel. That is life. Deal with it. One in three women is raped during her lifetime. My ex, at 5'3", left her attacker with a bloody nose begging her not to hit him again. She was attacked, by students, three times teaching in South Central L.A. and is still teaching over 20 years later. I did the same thing as a sissy "male" growing up and will do it again as a t girl. If I don't, it will be my responsibility. I don't expect any of you to alter your lifestyle to fit MY needs or sensibilities. Will I be scared, probably. Courage is facing fear. Not being afraid is stupidity.

    JJ, you do what you feel is right with your life girl. I'll deal with mine in my own way.

    Hugs, Wendo X