March 15, 2005 1:40 PM GMT
I pant I live in wales? lol
well, yes. That would be because of the thin air we get up here in thease mountains. lol
I will admit though, welsh IS taught in schools in south wales as a second language, but in truth, it's to a very poor standard. Not that I'm saying the teaching is bad, but the level to which it is taught by the third year of comprehensive school(9th grade!?!?) is pretty much a taster. It's probably enough to get by with in North Wales (given that many pople in the north can speak English too. lol).
In terms of welsh speaking comprehensive schools, There is one in the rhondda valley as far as I can recall, that serves an area from Cardiff to Bridgend, being Ysgol Gyfun Llanhari!!!! That's a HUGE area! By contrast though, there are a number of smaller welsh speaking primary schools all over the place.
I've NEVER heared anybody local conversing in Welsh, but I do know that the language does start to show itself if you were to visit Carmarthen, and even a little in Ammonford from time to time. There is a part of Pontyprydd that is a pocket of welsh speakers though, in the midst of an english speaking community.
It's sad to think that even just 25 years ago, a substantial amount of Welsh could be heared across the south wales valleys, and now there's almost nothing. Welsh hasn't been gone for all that long in the south really.
Sure, as English miners came to work in the Welsh mines, the language diluted a over time. My own family was such a family, moving to wales from Churchill in Oxfordshire in the mid 1800's. But what put the final nail in the coffin for welsh in the south was Maggie Thatcher with the underhand and brutal way she dealt with the Miners Strike.
Statistics to seem to point though, to the Welsh language in the south of the country rising like the pheonix from the ashes though.
March 15, 2005 2:47 PM GMT
Shan
There's also quite a large Welsh Population in Pensylvania, so I'm told, with some local cable TV stations even showing some S4C material.
A bit of history for ya. Some say the real saviour of the Welsh language was Queen Elizabeth 1. Who, worried that the Welsh would be indoctrinated by the catholic church commissioned the first translation of the protestant bible into Welsh at a time when the language was starting to die out. One of the first times that Welsh had been written down and made available to the ordinary people, it started a resurgence in Welsh speaking as it was the first book many people were able to get hold of.
Fascinating what?
... now, back to the girly stuff .. that's enough of that ...
Cerys x
March 15, 2005 11:05 PM GMT
That's a tasty looking sausage you have there Tiina!
xx
March 16, 2005 1:13 AM GMT
Mmmmmm yum. A nice collection of seafood there too. Which is the diet I'm on at the moment, seafood and eat it.
(Sorry)
xx
March 16, 2005 9:26 AM GMT
Tiina
Of all the Fishmongers in all the towns in all the world, you had to choose that one! I spent a few weeks working in Fishguard and went in that very shop many times. Fascinating fact alert: Fishguard was used as the location in the film of Dylan Thomas' "Under Milk Wood"
.. But as this is supposedly a Tranny site rather then a history lesson here's a pic of an old dear in Welsh national Costume
Elegant what ...? If you ask nicely I'll tell you the tale of how a small group of Welsh women dressed like this defeated Napoleon's invasion of Britain at Fishguard .. 'tis true.
Cerys x
(Useless information, I got it)
March 16, 2005 11:01 AM GMT
OK Shan just for you ..
A small contingent of the French army, mainly made up of convicts who had been released into conscription invaded Wales near Fishguard in 1797. They spent several days waiting in the hills for reinforcements that never turned up and started to get hungry and disillusioned. Suddenly over the hill came a group of Welsh women dressed in the traditional red costumes with "Chimney stack" hat. Seeing the red outfits and believing them to be soldiers, the French (Cheese eating surrender monkeys that they are
) promptly gave themselves up in return for a good meal; thus ending the last attempted invasion of the British Isles. Unless ....
.. Many don't regard it as a proper invasion and give that honour to the American adventurer (terrorist?) John Paul Jones whose attempt to invade Britain via the port of Whitehaven in Cumbria (1776) was thwarted when his torch went out and he knocked on the door of the local customs officer to ask for a match to re-light it, thereby giving the game away! Wish I'd been there to hear that conversation.
Cerys xx
March 16, 2005 11:35 AM GMT
No not on his own Shan, he had a small crew on board the USS Ranger, he was looking to inflict as much damage as he could on the fleet moored in Whitehaven before scarpering. John Paul Jones was actually Scotsman and although he went on to become known as the "Father of the American Navy", he spent more time serving as a captain in the Russian navy than for the US. Eventually he went on to sing for Led Zeppelin, so quite a career really!
Weird but true .. George Washington's grandmother is also buried at Whitehaven.
Cerys xx
(I'll shut up now)
March 16, 2005 1:36 PM GMT
Tsk Cerys, John Paul Jones was Led Zeppelin's BASS player (and occasional keyboards), he didn't sing, Robert Plant did that.
I expect you knew that really, people often say sing when they mean play. But if your new vocation is history teacher then we must be accurate must we not.
Ms Pedantic
xx
March 16, 2005 1:51 PM GMT
Bhaa
Yes of course I knew that ... didn't I?
Cerys xxx
Q. What do you call someone who hangs around with musicians?
A. A drummer !
March 16, 2005 2:12 PM GMT
poor drummers, the butt of many musicians' jokes.
and some of them have such cute butts too.
xx
March 16, 2005 3:03 PM GMT
Another interesting fact.
In under milk wood, one of the towns is called llareggub. Spell it backwards and you've just found an author with a slightly cynical sense of humour.
- You've gatta love Dylan Thomas! lol
March 16, 2005 3:34 PM GMT
"Llareggub" was inspired by the little coastal village of New Quay where Thomas lived for a while, not to be confused with the Cornish surfing town of the same name. Take a virtual walk around New Quay in the footsteps of Thomas and and his boozing buddy Richard Burton on this link ...
http://www.newquay-westwa[...]ail.htm
I wonder if Liz Taylor ever got drunk with them in the Blue Bell?
If anyone cares the complete text of the utterly brilliant "Under Milk Wood" can be found at the end of this link ..
http://www.geocities.com/[...]ood.htm
Go on you know you want to ..
Cerys x
(Is it Welsh week or what?)
March 16, 2005 3:34 PM GMT
Interesting how threads evolve and somehow take on a life of their own, init? Since we're onto drummers now, why do guitarists put drumsticks on the dashboards of their cars?
So they can park in the handicapped spot, of course.
Apologies to all you drummers out there. My seventeen year old wants to become a drummer when he grows up. An oxymoron, that.<g>
Hugs, Joni
March 16, 2005 11:51 PM GMT
no shan i was just thinking of a certain little drummer i know.
i would never attempt to compete with cerys in a bad pun competition; she is the undisputed champion.
xx