Hi everyone,
repeating a question posted on homepage, but USA specific......has anyone done business with them? Reputation OK? Productics authentic? Any trouble with delivery, ie. customs? Much cheaper than Costco...Thanks!
-Robin ; D
Traci Lee O'Gara said:
Chalice...not sure who is advising you, but do at all costs avoid Diane-35 and Premarin...totally outdated methods that could even hurt you...(Diane).
Hi Traci and thanks for your concern.
My endocrinologist prescribes Diane-35. Unless you know something that he doesn't I will continue to keep it in my armament. Diane-35 contains an anti-androgen and an estrogen, specifically cyproterone acetate 2mg and ethinyl estradiol 0.035mg respectively.
I am aware of the risks in taking oral estrogens but we do not have patches or injectable estrogens available here. But if you are going to make sweeping statements, then you should provide your reasons for doing so. I would be very interested in what your concerns are!
Respectfully
Chalice
Chalice According to Google patches are available in Oz, distributed by Novartis, North Ryde. Although I get my supply from Inhouse Pharmacy. Biz the product comes from Novartis. Estrogen implants are difficult to obtain but are obtainable from a source in Sydney. I note that you have already contributed to the Forum thread Hormones -= Diane-35 etc and read the pitfalls associated with it. Regards
Joanne Lee said:
Chalice According to Google patches are available in Oz, distributed by Novartis, North Ryde. Although I get my supply from Inhouse Pharmacy. Biz the product comes from Novartis. Estrogen implants are difficult to obtain but are obtainable from a source in Sydney. I note that you have already contributed to the Forum thread Hormones -= Diane-35 etc and read the pitfalls associated with it. Regards
Hi Joanne.
My oversight about patches, I was being lazy.
I have had implants and they were easily obtained although getting them put in by your local GP is a veritable PITA. It would be great if we had injectible estrogen, once a month injections or whatever, as the estrogen would also bypass the liver.
I will look at the Forum thread Hormones but I don't go much on heresay even the best support sites like Transgender Care http://www.transgendercare.com/ seem to have an overstated view on how to proceed.
Lets see if they've given any references.
HNY
Love
Chalice
Hi
Its probably best to go straight the horse's mouth.
The manufacturer gives this advice.
Do not take Diane-35 ED if you have an allergy to:
Some of the symptoms of an allergic reaction may include:
Do not take Diane-35 ED if you have or have had a blood clot in:
Do not take Diane-35 ED if you are concerned about an increased risk of blood clots.
Blood clots are rare. Very occasionally blood clots may cause serious permanent disabilities, or may even be fatal.
You are more at risk of having a blood clot when you take the Pill. But the risk when taking the Pill is less than the risk during pregnancy.
Do not take Diane-35 ED if you are concerned about an increased risk of blood clots because of age or smoking.
The risk of having a heart attack or stroke increases as you get older. It also increases if you smoke. You should stop smoking when taking the Pill, especially if you are older than 35 years of age.
Do not take Diane-35 ED if you have, or have had:
Personally, I have never smoked or have any of the other risk factors. Maybe that's why my endocrinologist prescribed it for me.
Regards
Chalice
Hi All
Well, any medications are fraught with risks and Hormone Trestments are potentially a deadly cocktail.
Personally, I am not in any of the 'at risk' groups so I don't have those concerns: I don't smoke and never have, etc. etc.
But I have 18 weeks of Dianne-35 which will take me up to the Orchidectomy phase.
I am also using half a gram of Premarin cream nightly as a face cream.
I hope I can allay any fears for my safety by stating that I will also be taking half or quarter of an aspirin each morning as a fail safe.
Love
Chalice.
Hi
Recent comments appear contradictory, but the site displays a clear message.
To satisfy the requirements of Regulation 7 of the UK Medicines (Advertising) Regulations 1994, this site is not intended for those people who reside in the United Kingdom.
Chalice Brendale said:
Hi
Recent comments appear contradictory, but the site displays a clear message.
To satisfy the requirements of Regulation 7 of the UK Medicines (Advertising) Regulations 1994, this site is not intended for those people who reside in the United Kingdom.Meds arrive in Australia without complications, although they never sent any syringes with my last order of injectibles. lolRegardsChalice
Hi Lucy,
I think you might be wrong, but then I am not a lawyer and have never studied law, but the Section 7 specifically states (my emphasis):
"Subject to regulation 11, no person shall issue an advertisement which is likely to lead to the use of a relevant medicinal product which is a medicinal product for supply by prescription only and which is subject to any of the restrictions imposed by section 58(2) of the Act."
Regulation 11 is to do with advertising campaigns for vaccinations against diseases.
It is how the law would interpret an advert on this site, is it the Gender Society who is issuing the advert, or In House Pharmacy?? I think Cristine might have a better idea about this than either of us, or if she doesn't know, she will know somebody who can give her more informed advice.
Carol
Joanne Lee said:
Chalice Syringes can be bought from chemists in Oz.
Hi Joanne
Yes, I now know I can get alcohol swabs, guage 23 and 21 needles, and 5ml syringes at my family chemist for a fraction of what they cost online.
I currently get my meds online because it will save me thousands in the long run.
I have my endo oversee my DIY administration and he arranges the blood work.
All in all, a happy customer.
Chalice
Traci Lee O'Gara said:
Compared to getting a script from a doctor and filling it at a local pharmacy, InHouse is VERY expensive...maybe 6-10 times as much...just depends on your local source. xoxo
Well Traci, this is simply not true, at least it is not the case in Australia.
The cost of buying 'Progynon Depot" from InHouse Pharmacy is comparable to the prices paid for it on a prescription. Needles, syringes, and alcohol swabs are around 50cents each, not much more.
InHouse Pharmacy provides a considerable cost saving because it allows me to bypass visits to a GP.
Each visit costs $70.
The first visit or consultation to obtain a script has no benefit to transitioning. Then a weekly visit to have the medications administered would follow and then continue for the duration of my transition.
I am certainly not paying $70 a week for my GP and another $200 each time I visit my endocrinologist.
The money I save can pay for my 'orchie'. lol
Anyone who would advise that using InHouse Pharmacy is more expensive than getting a script from a doctor is not talking from experience.
Regards
CB
Part 14 (advertising) consolidates, with only minor and drafting amendments, the Medicines (Advertising) Regulations 1994, as amended, and the Medicines (Monitoring of Advertising) Regulations 1994, as amended. In doing so, it continues to implement Directive 2001/83/EC. Part 6 of the 1968 Act, which made parallel provision, is repealed, and the instruments made under it revoked.
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=OJ:L:2010:348:0074:0099:EN:PDF
As far as I can see, no specific drug is being advertised, and it is noted on this site. ''
To satisfy the requirements of Regulation 7 of the UK Medicines (Advertising) Regulations 1994, this site is not intended for those people who reside in the United Kingdom''. ((as ammended)) is in comliance with the act.
I should imagine in the UK Customs and excise would be the first line of control for the declared import of various medicines and drugs.
Seperate FDA regulations are applicable to the USA, different regulations for Canada. same goes for Australia, where it would seem customs and Import authories have lists of products they will not allow and some they will.
Joanne Lee said:
Any hormones purchased without a script will cost more.I have been dealing with them for a few years and have nothing but praise for the quality and delivery.
Hi. I am amazed to read that prescription hormones are as low as 6 times cheaper that those from InHouse; I live in Mexico and you cannot order from them but their prices are about half of what the hormones cost at the drugstore.
Joanne Lee said:
Any hormones purchased without a script will cost more.I have been dealing with them for a few years and have nothing but praise for the quality and delivery.
Hi. I am amazed to read that prescription hormones are as low as 6 times cheaper that those from InHouse; I live in Mexico and you cannot order from them but their prices are about half of what the hormones cost at the drugstore.
Traci Lee O'Gara said:
It's different here in the US Chalice...
How is it different? I live in Kentucky. So far, JUST to get on HRT (and it's not even a good start!) I've had to pay the following:
endocrinologist A in Lexington, KY: $75 patient fee + $225 office visit
* all she did was dismiss my suggestions of treating hairloss, saying "they're all junk, just go buy a wig..."
* she gave me an order for bloodwork and told me to "shop around, good luck"
Because I was so unhappy with the way things went I found another endo in Cincinnati, OH. With him I paid the following:
endocrinologist B in Cincinnati, OH: $75 patient fee + 43% ($153) of office visit
* all he did was get my blood taken there and told me he would write up a script and send it to WalMart pharmacy, his stupid nurse couldn't even correctly submit the order after 3 tries, after I called the doctor's office enough times about it they just phoned in the order to pharmacy
* and what did the doctor order (after I had told him that I've been on HRT before with no negative side effects)?
1mg Estrace
5mg Proscar .....that's it.
This is all without insurance, of course, but even if I had insurance I would have had to pay for it all out of my pocket anyway just to meet my deductible, so ......
it IS just as bad here in the USA.
Kristy...sorry you've run into some obvious people who could care less about you. That said, all you really needed to do to get a prescription is either call around to doctor's office and get a nurse practioner to write you a script or find a clinic that allows you file and sign an "implied consent" agreement, which basically means you understand the risks and are willing to do it anyways. Don't give up so easily when you get crummy advice Kristy...it is YOUR life and the doctors work for you, not the other way around Kristy. That's a few of the ways it is different Kristy!
Best wishes always...
Traci
Traci, in this part of the country (Kentucky & Ohio) you're not going to be able to call around and get a nurse practicioner to write you a script. It doesn't work that way. They will set up an appointment to see a doctor who, after a conversation, may (unlikely unless you're already self-medicating) or may not write a script. In almost all cases bloodwork will have to be drawn, and the results looked at, before a script will be written. In my case the doctor did the bare minimum because he hasn't seen the bloodwork results yet. Also, in this area there are no clinics that allows you to file and sign an "implied consent" agreement. Not only do they not agree with that, but it does nothing to line their pockets. They "have to see you first". In my case the first doctor said she is not going to write ANY scripts (and will never write anything for treating hair loss) until she has seen bloodwork. The second doctor said he he would see me in three months and that he'll go from there. Sounds to me like the doctor is running the show. What am I going to do, show up with a gun and make them write a script?
That stinks Kristy...many states do comply with the "implied consent" agreement today...how far are you from a major city?
Traci
What would you define as a major city? The closest 'big cities' to me are Louisville, KY (2.5 hour drive), Indianapolis, IN (3 hour drive) and Cincinnati, OH (1.5 hour drive).
I think there is some confusion here as to what complied consent is. Under the old WPATH 6.0 SOC you needed a letter of referral from a therapist in order for an endo to provide you with HRT (the dosages would be up to the endo/doctor). Under the 7.0 SOC you don't need a therapist's letter, but doctor is still going to make the decision as to what meds/dosages he or she puts you on.
In my case the only benefit the 7.0 SOC provides, if the doctor is going by the SOC, is that I don't need months and months of therapy before asking the doctor to put me on HRT.
Those are all major cities...and they ought to have clinics...and these clinics dipsense HRT easily via implied consent, especially if you have been self medicating. I know there is a list out there in the 'net that lists such clinics, but I've ben unable to locate it for you. I'll contact you if or when I find it.
Traci
Okay, thanks, Traci. Someone over on reddit sent me to a list, but there is nothing closer than a 2 hr 40 min drive from me. There is nothing in Kentucky, and nothing in Southern Ohio. You simply have to set up an appointment and see the doctor. If you have the bloodwork ready before you see the doctor, then you are in position to discuss meds and dosages. If not, then it's basically a wasted visit and you will be at the mercy of the doctor when he or she sees the results of the bloodwork.
Yeah, I get that...bummer...it sux...
Best wishes always!
Traci
Hi girls, I am having issues with finding out the legality of obtaiing estrogens from outside Australia to self medicate.
Does anyone know if i can get some into Australia legally without going through GP.
Thanks
<---USA girl...sorry, cannot help!