October 19, 2009 7:07 PM BST
I'll have another go, lol, to further confuse things.
Surely to my way of thinking, if one suffers gender dysphoria, thinks like a female and is convinced they are or should be female, Then GAY does not enter into the equasion, it logically would be natural to be attracted to men. Hang on, I hav'nt finished, before some of you start hanging me out to dry. Like the last time I advocated this theory.
That does not take into account the diversity of human nature, Irregardless of what gender you see yourself as, basically if you are a genuine TG and gender dysphoric, mentally assuming the identity of a woman, if you fancy men, per se, that would seem natural, if you fancy women, that would make you a lesbian. No sin either way.
If your just a thrill seeking knicker wearer and identify as a man and seek the company of males for sex, then in my opinion that would make you gay. This is about how you percieve labels, not wether anything is wrong or right. Back to labels, not eveyone
agrees with labeling, but they do help identify what we are, where would we be if they did'nt label tins, tubes and packets.... eating rollmops with custard cleaning our teeth with haemeroid cream lol.
Now we go onto the perception of the all unknowing general public, in particular the ignoramus element of society, there is less of a phobia about being gay or a lesbian than being a transgendered person usually being seen as a weirdo gay that wears dresses, this is also the general idea of how gay men see us. Coming out once to a gay guy when I was younger and he discovered I was wearing knickers, holdups and a bra under my ambiguous outer wear, said ''FFS if I wanted to shag somone in frilly knickers I would be chasing girls''
And I note Penny's point, why do so many men lose interest when they discover a TG/TS is post op.
What am I? happy living and loving a who rather than a what.
Cristine
October 19, 2009 8:30 PM BST
To quote myself from a recent post in another thread:
"I've never been the most masculine person, in fact I think most people thought I was gay. (I've never been attracted to males and certainly never had any male/male experience nor ever wanted to, not that I think there's anything wrong for those lean that way. Just not my thing.)"
That said, I've never bothered to tell others that directly. My friends have been guys, GGs, gays, lesbians and every other "label" you can think of. I've always (since before puberty) seen myself as more female than male, but I've always found females attractive and occasionally would date them. But for the most part, I was more interested in being one of them than dating them (to paraphrase a comment from a recent post from a "New Member" Sorry, I don't remember her name.)
I've been hit on by gay guys many, many more times than I've asked girls out. I have no idea why they were interested in me - maybe testosterone based aesthetic mental blindness. I've had roommates that included my GG fiancee, a gay and a post-op TS.
When I'm in Melody/femme mode, I do have some fantasies about males that could only be fulfilled if I had a female body (if you get my drift.)
My two cents worth,
Melody
October 22, 2009 6:59 PM BST
Now the killer question.
We with GID know how we feel in relationships regarding men. (not GAY) How do the admirers see themselves??????????
especially if they indulge in sexual relationships with pre-ops? taking into account the TS/TG has a gender recognition cerificate and whos status in the eyes of the law is female.
Or perhaps, even relationships of the same order with CD's and TV's, do they view the participant as female, and why do some of them have an obsession with giving oral sex or even require reciprocal anal intercourse?
Crissie (being obtuse and controversial)
October 22, 2009 8:09 PM BST
Oooh I like that one!
I've actually had several guys confess that yes, a pre op is attractive to them while a post op isn't. Is it a latent gay attitude in them? Some of them have no idea actually, they just know that they find these particular girls sexually attractive. Why not? Who cares what label someone needs to stick on them because of it. It's possible that they like pre-ops simply because of the idea of a third gender is appealing, why have male or female when you can have both?
My only concern for these guys is that you could have a nice friendly (or more) relationship with them, but then the minute you are post op they aren't interested in you. Why not? It's still the same person. That, to me, is just shallow. It also goes to show them that whatever they might think or feel, like it or not, there's a distinct attraction to the penis there, which subsides when it's gone.
What would that make them in your book?
Nikki
October 22, 2009 10:01 PM BST
I do actually know somone, we worked alongside in Germany, She met a nice young bloke, very succesful, she was extremely pretty and totally convincing, they got together, him in the full knowledge she was going for surgery, she gave up her job, they bought a house together, She dumped us and went stealth, they got married, she had surgery, he lost interest in her regarding the sexual side of things, got caught with another pre-op, now moved in with her, divorce pending. How sad is that, seems he even tried to persuade her to forgo surgery.
Cristine
October 24, 2009 11:17 PM BST
Hi Tranny Admirers,
A couple of days ago Cristine threw out a challenge to explain yourselves. So far none of you have been "man enough" to reply to her. You are here for a reason, how about answering her?
I, for one, would be very interested in the answers.
Best,
Melody
October 25, 2009 2:47 PM GMT
In response to Chrissie's challenge, you might want to check out this thread, which had some very good responses.
http://gendersociety.com/[...]2520727
Nikki
October 25, 2009 3:14 PM GMT
It was'nt realy a challenge as such, and I know from previous threads some do see us as women. I'm more interested in how some males who like being on the receiving end see themselves. Are we all familiar with the word Twink, lol.
But bless people like Keefe and others who responded to the thread that Nikki quoted.
Cristine (NO 'H')
October 25, 2009 4:20 PM GMT
Hi Cristine & Nikki,
Yes, the word "challenge" was mine, not Cristine's. My reading an attitude into someone else's words.
I read the thread Nikki referred to while it was going on and have reread it since. It's not the good folks who posted there that I was trying to prod , but the guys who show up in "who's online" but never post and who check out your profile. I'm alawys flattered that someone took the time to look at my profile and there's anything wrong with staying in the background, but it would be nice to get some of their input.
Best,
Melody
October 25, 2009 4:26 PM GMT
He Hee, Melody,
The ones that pm you in the chat room, without even say a Hi. to anybody and ask. what are you wearing? and are you a BIG girl? lol
Cristine
October 25, 2009 7:26 PM GMT
Marsha....
Age. Sex & location ASL
Age?, your old enoiugh to be my Father. Sex? no thanks, I would rather stick pins in my eyes and sit on a burning candle. Location? sitting here at my desk having my time wasted answering stupid questions, what you wearing, erm Jumper, Jeans and trainers, Oh so your not a real tranny then? Er are you a big girl?. Hm no, I no longer have a willy, Oh! what a pity and you looked so hot.
Have they never heard the word wooing lol.
Hugs cristine
October 25, 2009 7:39 PM GMT
Quite honestly Melody, anyone who just lurks in the background isn't worth knowing. How difficult is it to say 'hi' after all. If all they want to do is look at pictures there are other sites that can cater for them much better.
If they can't deal with it in the virtual world, they'd run a mile in the real world, they just couldn't handle a Tgirl, Not worth bothering about.
However, there are some nice guys that get in the chatroom who actually enjoy a conversation and are fun to talk to, so it's not all bad. You'll know them when you come across them.
Nikki
October 26, 2009 6:16 PM GMT
Now that we have established in the main, It would seem that girls with GID 'should' fancy. be attacted to men, A hetrosexual relationship per se. those that chose a lesbian type relationships, (those remaining in previous formed relation ships, exempt, for reasons previously stated). The others, are you honestly sticking with genetic females because of subconcience conditioning, of what is regarded by society as the norm? still thinking from a preconcieved male aspect? That a sexual relationship with a male is abhorent and repulsive? Is it just a preference to stick with what you know? or is it you assimulate and emphasise more with genetic females. I can certainly understand both points of view, especially if at some time you had been physically abused by a man or just don't like brusque, sweaty muscle bound bodies. Or is it you hated your own male self so much, it just put you off men in general, perhaps it brings back uncomfortable memories.
Cristine xxXxx