Was just a nudge back in April, Christine. Wanted to make sure the topic didnt get hijacked onto some divergent path.

How nice to see this thread still gaining ground as I think it is one of the better ones and gives the TA's a chance to get their opionions out into the open.

Jason, we only want honest answers here, it doesn't really matter if some find your views 'odd' or not in keeping with their own, that's what having an opinion is all about. I found your answers very insightful actually and it tells us a lot about you as a person. We're not looking for any 'right answers.

I think you will find that your view isn't unique Jason, TGirls and GG's are almost always both viewed as women, they just took different routes to get there, there is nothing strange in being attracted to both. Interesting you mention bisexual men, since having met quite a lot they always seem to struggle with us. Not in terms of acceptance, but in terms of 'do they find us attractive', i.e. do they view us as women or still male but with some different characteristics. I haven't yet been able to get a straight (no pun intended) answer to this one. I can understand their confusion however. We are unique!

Nikki

Yes its nice to see a thread as interesting as this carry on, One point to note tho, not refering to the TA's I have chatted to and admire in return along with mutual respect, I have noticed that some of the new comers as soon as they discover one is post-op, they rapidly lose interest and stop posting messages in my TW mail box, lol, Why is that????????

xxX Cristine Xxx

There are a lot of TA's like that Christine aren't there? I guess it's the 'different genitalia' that is the lure. Hopefully someone will come along and answer that one themselves though.

Nikki

Thanks for that Jason, interesting, and very honest.
Maybe male genitalia appeals to many TA's, but not all, some are definitely happy with a post-op girl!
xx

A lot of girls are interested in pursuing relationships with men, but it is very difficult for both parties when a lot of them have no idea that they are supposed to treat us just like any other girl, and their experience to date is internet porn. Some guys don't get that other girls aren't interested in men at all. We have had some of those here but we have also had some very nice men too.

Being sexually attracted to a girl is fine, as long as you take the time to get to know her before you want to jump into bed. As Steve rightly said, women want to get to know the person first. Of course there are exceptions sometimes. We are wired diffrently but there is an overlap in there if a guy is patient enough. It will be worth it in the long run.

Nikki

Getting back to labels, the term 'TA' tranny admirer, Think we should differentiate between the genuine, TA. somone who is respectful, interested, is sympathetic, somone who understands whereas the TF's leave you to work that one out, lol, and I have had encounters with a lot of the latter, using them to satisfy my own personal needs, to perhaps convince myself I was desirable and accepted and seen as a sexy woman, obviously I was deluded, lol, but I used them just as they used me and in the most enjoyed it. One night stands just the way some GG's have one night stands, So I think one basically must accept responsobility for the image we portray. I do however, now find the way some join this site enter the chat room and make assumptions, ignoring people in the chat room and imediately hit on a girl in a private message with an indecent proposal, lol, Without being given the come on, somewhat sleezy and desperate.

I know, the answer, but spose I had better ask a question, because it is a question answers, thread, Do some men who prefer pre-ops/TV's like to be subjugated/dominated, as in taking a passive role, in relation to giving oral sex and being on the receiving end during intercourse, is that why some lose interest once a girl becomes post op? or is there an underlying psycolological reason that 'TS'' are a more attractive scenario than dominating the perhaps hairy masculine gay equivilant. or
is it just commonly accepted that Pre-ops are more up for anal sex, easier to score with in that way than GG's. or trying to find a GG that is up for dominant sex using a strap on.

I have had encounters with quite a few very selfish men when it comes to sex, They like to recieve oral and take a domiant position when it comes to intercourse, but when it came down to doing somthing for me, more often I was left to my own devices. still spose thats quite common with men and GG's lol. so nothing new there then, lol. What do you think of men like that and are you one?, thats another question.

still as usual what do I know lol, but I do know we should not judge everyone the same.

xxXCristineXxx (ex slapper )

Steve, I can appreciate what you are saying about guys having issues too, when dating us. Of course they have. The same as those girls with partners also have to deal with having a TS partner. It's not a licence to act dumb and sleazy though. We're aren't talking about adolescents here, but guys who have been on the dating scene before so they should know how to traet a woman. Sure they may be curious about a TS, who wouldn't be, but you can have some tact with it too.

As for me, I have met some very nice men, who did things right and therefore I would meet up again. They didn't come with any preconceptions about who we are and treated me exactly as I would expect to be treated. Like a lady. It's not a great deal to ask.

Sure, some men will get it wrong, say something inappropriate or incorrect, that's okay, it's real life and it happens. It's a problem only if it is spoken in the wrong manner. the bottome line is 'don't treat us any different from a GG, we'r'e still women'. If you think a GG would slap you for saying or acting in a particular way, well, don't expect us to react any differently. Except we can probably slap harder! lol

Anyway, I do hope you get your site up and running and educate the masses for us all, it's a noble task. http://www.tsgirlfriend.com is a pretty good example already but it is written (I believe) from a woman's perspective. It would be useful to see it written by a man for other men too.

Nikki

Just wanted to say hello to the new admirer in this forum, Hi Steve!
Can’t see how “admirer” could ever be seen as a derogatory term, I admire admirers.
And you may or may not know, that some women are also sexual creatures!
xx

I don't think anyone likes the term 'shemale' Natalie, it's insulting and is never used by anyone who knows anything about us. It's only used by those who lack the knowledge and the inclination to educate themselves properly before approaching us.

Nikki

my question is: why did I click on 'A question for men? But then why did practically every one of you click on?

Steve a well balanced and honest post, Oh! there are submissive men that like to be dominated by pre-ops, same as there are men that like to be dominated by GG's, in the case of men being dominated by a pre-op TS or for that matter a post-op, generally they are refered to as Twinks, lol, yes! another label to add to the quagmire. In the main the Term Twink is a derogatory label, but they do seem to enjoy the connotations of being owned by that particular label and mostly these men are Asexual when it comes to being asseritve. Quaint is'nt lol. As for Labels, All I can say is good job tins have labels, Tinned custard and meatballs realy does'nt appeal to me much. All part of lifes rich tapestry. I still maintain, tho, we should not confuse the term Tranny admirer with the tossers and dossers, I'm with Lucy on this one I also admire the real admirers, Gentemen, Knights on big white horses in shining armour. If I was a bit different, I could have forseen me setling down and Marrying somone like Keith/Kat who originated this thread. But I honestly believe its the who we fall in love with not the what.

But anyway Welcome and thankyou for your input.

xxXCristineXxx but what the hell do I know.

Thankyou for throwing in your 'two cents' Jason.

I think some of the problems men have with us, emotionally, is that it just leaves them feeling too confused as to where it leaves them. i.e. does it make them gay? In my book, no it doesn't. Neither does me having sex with a guy make me gay. We're just women who are slightly different bioliogically, but still women.

I know there are nice guys out there, I've met a few of them but the idiots are the ones we tend to meet all too often and it can affect how all men are viewed by some girls.

I prefer to keep an open mind myself. I think the best way to find out about someone is to chat to them, you'll soon find out what they are really like, and what they are after. I've been in contact with several for years now who I would definately put in the 'good guy' bracket.

Nikki

True Steve, I must admit I had forgotten about GG's getting hit on just as badly by, as you say, men who don't know how to treat a lady. A friend of mine used to remark, 'you have to kiss a hundred frogs before you find your prince.' There's some truth in that one!

It amazes me though, that some guys just don't get it. What they think is appropriate behaviour is just a turn off. If they would only show a little courtesy and be less, well, laddish, they would be amazed at what a difference it would make.

I'm glad to have met some of the better ones.

Nikki

Hi Guys,

Here's a question for you, and let me start with the example I'll give isn't about anyone here at TGS.

Why do TA's (again nobody here) only want to chat about about a girl's looks, sexual experiences and place on the TG spectrum?

I met a TA online with whom I share an interest that we are both passionate about (nothing to do with being TG). He wasn't faking his interest in the subject, his site is totally about it. My profile, which clearly states I'm TG, also states I'm very interested in the particular subject.

I wanted to discuss our mutual interest in chat, which we did. But...he kept trying to move the conversation to my TG persuasion. What's up with that? If I'm interested in someone, I want to get to know them long before I want to discuss intimate things.

Maybe I'm just old fashioned.

Best,
Melody

Keef Adams said:
Hi Nikki,

Thanks for getting back to me - and for everyone else, please feel free to ask questions honestly. I don't mind a healthy debate, and if it can put people's minds at ease (or confirm their suspicions), then it's all been worthwhile.

Please do bear in mind, I can only answer questions from my perspective. Let's hope other guys join in and answer truthfully, too. Then that way, we can all get a concensus.

So here we go:

1. What is the attraction of TGirls when you can have the real thing?
Interesting one that, and always good to start with a simple question.

If I'm honest, I like the fusion of masculine and feminine - physically I mean. TGirls generally have longer slimmer legs, are taller, and have more striking faces.

However, it's the personality thing that really intrigues me. I mean, TGirls are more in touch with themselves by definition of what they're doing (although, note I didn't say more comfortable), and have usually gone through quite a lot of thinking to get to where they're at. And that usually implies they're smart, too... And for me, smartness, is a really, really attractive string to have in one's bow.

I love the feeling of being filled-up anally , but the thought of being with a hairy man disgusts me. I love a beautiful woman with a big "something extra " !

2. Are you comfortable being out in public (daylight, high street, not in a club) with one of us?
Yes. Always have been. Always will be. I figure that if you consider yourself to be female, then I could at least extend the courtesy of treating you like one. You've the confidence to go out dressed, so it's you that's making all the effort... supporting that should be easy. So you'll never see me hiding with you in a corner of a restaurant, or shying away from walking down the high street, head held high.

Yes , if she's passable.

3. Have you ever felt guilty after being 'close' (kissing, sexual contact and so on) with a girl?
Not yet... Should there be some guilt attached...?

Hell no ! I wish i could find the right one to marry !

K