July 26, 2009 10:11 PM BST
Rose you're so lovely... (just don't tell I can't tell you're lovely haha) and as we're "partners" already why not do it together with Cristine and Marsha as well. Cristine does accounting so that would come handy.
Because I'm fully transitioned and never made any fuzz about it I only got my own experience to tell as I know myself and I know I'm not alone but you see what happen in the suicide thread when I opened my mouth as I've got absolutely no experience in being depressed or having suicidal thoughts.
I could only tell happy people how to be happier maybe? Can you imagine a behavioural counsellor for happy people only lol I would earn less then I make cutting hair but since we got plenty of chairs there, maybe a good idea would be to have behavioural counsellor while cutting hair, like two flies in one bang?
Sorry for making jokes on this thread but my fingers was just dancing on the keybord.
But back to more serious thought, I think by just being friendly or tell or show people you love them or care for them you can go a long way and don’t forget the nice words and leave the “A-holes” outside.
xxx Natalie
July 27, 2009 1:01 AM BST
Natalie,
...my mum is also OK with me and call me daughter not son.
My plan with her was just to take her out on shopping to show her it’s all the female shopping I like and shopping for bra, female clothes, and makeup and to take advice from her did the trick for me. In other words make them involved if possible. Same for your sister, just ask her for advice but you might need to let her know that you have know-how about being woman and not ask advice like if you’re still a male and want to “become” a woman.
When you visiting you parents, take part of the woman work as it shows the female side of you.
Once you got your mum on your side, for your brothers/sisters go visit them with your mum. Don’t go alone because you will then “show” that your mum is supporting you so why should not your brothers do the same?...
This is WONDERFUL, very pragmatic advice, you go girl!
Nicole
July 27, 2009 9:38 AM BST
Nicole thankyou and I'm just glad if you liked it because it worked for me so it might also work for others but the reality is that we humans are all so different and reacts differently to same situations so there is no guaranty that it will work but maybe worth trying.
Personally I think if we can just brake the ice, it will be broken forever.
xxx Natalie
July 27, 2009 8:08 PM BST
Hi Rose,
Thank you for the tip re: Xmas cards. I usually don't do Xmas cards but it is something that people can physically hold in their hand, open it up and see that I am thinking about them and they can see my name.
However, I have sent physical birthday cards and birthday emails and I do get a "thanks".via email in all cases. I don't get addressed, just a thanks. I guess that this is gonna take a while, or maybe it will never happen.
I saw my mom yesterday and I was talking about how I'm on the outs with a lot of the family. She said "It's a shame that people won't accept you." That made me feel good and bad at the same time. Good because my mom said it and there's always the hope that she'll say something to my non accepters and bad because it also sounded so forever.
Oh well, I guess I'll just keep sending birthday cards and now Xmas cards and just wait and hope. At least the Xmas card will be the second reminder of me every year to them. Thank you again, Rose!
July 27, 2009 8:28 PM BST
Hi Natalie,
My mom is cool with me but you did have very good advice if she wasn't. A day of female shopping is a great idea! Thank you!
And your second idea is a good one also, during visits perform the women's work. I have done that and I think that did help my mom accept me. Serving, cooking and cleaning up instead of "watching the game" while sipping a drink did send a message to her. Thanks!
Yes, Christmas is a time where I will meet some family members face to face and these are very important times to, again as you said, "Do the women's work". Also show them your best female side.
And your "Don't visit without an ally" statement (sorry for the paraphrasing) is very good advice. Since we celebrate Xmas at my mom's house she is already there and she does address me correctly in front of the others.
I thank you once again, Natalie for your great ideas but I think that in my case I just have to wait and hope.
July 26, 2009 11:06 AM BST
nothing to do about the real bigots I'm afraid...keep sending Xmas cards to let them know you still think about them...if they all get a bit of positive feeedback about you from your child, mum and sis you may become acceptable sometime - but the evidence suggests don't count on it...
like everyone says: we transition and lose practically everything...
July 26, 2009 11:06 AM BST
nothing to do about the real bigots I'm afraid...keep sending Xmas cards to let them know you still think about them...if they all get a bit of positive feeedback about you from your child, mum and sis you may become acceptable sometime - but the evidence suggests don't count on it...
like everyone says: we transition and lose practically everything...
July 26, 2009 5:50 PM BST
Natalie, you're right about the sneezing and coughing it does sound so male but as I heven't been outed for it perhaps its just a bit of neuroticism on our behalf...
now we need a new thread: how to feminise coughs and sneezes...
as you are so observant and knowledgeable about transthings why aren't you a behavioural counsellor...there'sd a big market waiting for you...