How not to transition.

    • 871 posts
    November 10, 2009 6:17 PM GMT
    Totally unbelievable if it wasnt real!

    Seems this person did everything backwards ie op 1st then name change then living as a woman. No wonder this person considers the transition the wrong choice, so much for dipping your toe into the water or looking before you leap.

    Also, a good example of why you should ensure your surgeon can count to 2!

    That said, I really hope this person finds peace and solace with their life.

    Heres the broadcast...
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/ipla[...]1_2009/
    • 157 posts
    November 10, 2009 11:27 PM GMT
    I don't mean to sound cynical but it this is another case of the privileged class thinking that the rules are made for everyone else but them. Everyone else has to transition in an orderly manner, following all the steps, but the lords/ladies are more intelligent and infallible so she can just skip the formalities and go to the head of the line as it were. Then after everything is said-and-done she says it was a mistake, yeah I guess jumping into the deep end without learning to swim could make you think it was a bad decision.

    But! It was her decision and she followed through with her dreams.

    Jeri
    • 1912 posts
    November 11, 2009 7:01 PM GMT
    I can both empathize and sympathize with this gal. The Harry Benjamin Standards of Care are mostly to blame for what occurred. I have always said sending a guy out in a dress for one year of RLT is wrong. And what I mean about the guy in the dress is you can't send someone out there who still needs facial hair removal and looking like a linebacker for a football or rugby team and expect this person to be accepted as a woman. I believe HRT and facial hair removal should occur far before one begins to live as the female gender. So just as this gal said, it made no sense to her to pretend being a woman when she already knew she was a woman. Therefore I believe the NHS rules forced her to go the route she did and because she had the money, she could. Obviously she could have made some wiser choices such as the surgeon. But she did seem to be satisfied with the results after the followup to the original surgery. As for her saying it was the wrong choice at the end, I believe she said that based on how much she missed out on in her life. She saw the success of people previously in her life and felt that could have been her life. In reality it is those people of her past making her an outcast and not allowing her to enjoy life the way she envisioned. It is what we talk about here everyday, acceptance by society. And in this example, not even royalty was able to obtain that acceptance we all so desperately seek. I totally sympathize with her.

    That was an extremely boring interview but I hope many will listen to it and learn from it. Whether you follow the WPATH SOC or not, you need to think things out. How is this going to effect your life for the long term? Who are you fooling if you think making the transition is all you need to be happy the rest of your life? Charring Cross, Dr. Suporn, Marci Bowers, etc., all they can do is help you look like a woman, they don't make you a woman.

    Hugs,
    Marsha

    • 1912 posts
    November 11, 2009 8:30 PM GMT
    Hang on Cris, don't assume from my response that I agree with "HOW" she went about it, just that I believe I understand what led her to the path she chose. I think Charring Cross let her down with the time frame they required and understandably this gal felt that was too long of a process. She admittedly said she didn't give it much thought and had the end result in mind. She set out to reach that result in no particular order which to most of us makes no sense. I don't condone that, but I understand it.

    You brought up her not thinking in this day and age that she might be ostracized and cast out. I see that time and time again here at TW and with others I know who want to believe the world will accept them, that their circumstances are different than the rest of us. Yet they go ahead anyways and lose family, friends and job. Somehow it still comes as a shock to them. This story is no different, it is just someone of stature that some feel they can laugh at.

    I may be very opinionated and have my friends and foes, however, I will honestly always wish the best outcome for every gal who chooses to take this journey, royalty or down on their luck included.

    Hugs,
    Marsha
  • November 12, 2009 4:51 AM GMT
    Marsha you make great point like always and I think this girl should have consider the thought that after the translition it might not make her acceptable by everyone. I understand why she felt it was too long of a process to go through since she wanted it very soon just like some of us would want to do it early but know we can't since it is a long process. Despite her being shocked by the people reactions for her choice, I like your self still wish for the best for any girl like this one even if they are unhappy with the end results and hope they find happiness in it.

    Ashley
    • 1652 posts
    November 10, 2009 11:33 PM GMT
    "Op 1st then name change then living as a woman..."
    And THEN eventually telling the children.
    I empathise, but I find it hard to sympathise.
    Your thread is perfectly titled, Penny.
    xx
    • 2017 posts
    November 11, 2009 11:55 AM GMT
    I can't sympathise with this person whatsoever, what an idiot! Common sense would tell you that it wouldn't be a good way to go about things. But then the upper classes have always been lacking in that area..........

    Nikki
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    • 2358 posts
    November 11, 2009 12:55 PM GMT
    Obviously, not a noteworthy surgeon. Surely even somone with only a single brain cell would have done some research to acertain somones credentials for performing this type of surgery. With regard to the single brain cell, this person did'nt have the inteligence in the first place to be a proper bonefide tranny, lol. One does not employ a painter and decorator to fix a leaky gas pipe, besides the fact thats illegal. Like to see it go to court in litegation, any sensible judge would ban the surgeon from ever operating again and fine the patient for being so stupid. To put it delicately the vagina got a vagina now king live with it. This is where, as I understand it the NHS will not pick up the tab for putting it right.

    If a reputable surgeon will not carry out surgery without the necessary referals, then there must be a logical reason not to go to some back street idiot.

    Fools rush in, etc Good, it might serve as a warning to endure the proper requisites for transitioning and show that no matter how you feel or how desperate you are there is a paramount reason for getting it right. Stories like this leave me seriously underwhelmed.

    A very unsympathetic Cristine xxXxx
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    • 2358 posts
    November 11, 2009 7:57 PM GMT
    Wow Marsha, I certainly was'nt expecting that, lol, Basically, an anology in this case is, if you feel like you can handle a ferarai and have the money to buy one, you should be able to go out and get one and zoom about the streets even if you can't drive to save your life.
    Cases like this don't realy do anyone any favours from the perspective of the ignorant knuckle dragging troglodytes. Your not telling me in this day and age that the thought of being ostracised and cast out never occured to her? trying to short cut the accepted recognised route. All it does is put out a warning, money does not make the woman.

    Yes it must be hard to go out and live the life in a frock and five oclock shadow, Its sposed to weed out the boys from the women, and there are ways to circumvent that when you have enough money. basically get a licence and some lessons before you hit the road in that Ferari.

    Cristine xxXxx