Our New Name

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    February 11, 2010 12:58 PM GMT
    Hi Girls, as most of you know, we have considered having a new name for a long time. When TW was first started more than a decade ago, the word tranny was not a problem the word has been hijacked by porn sites and TG people themselves now often prefer not to use it. There are lots of other reasons for not using the word 'tranny' in our name too, which are quite tedious but important all the same. I won't bore you with them.

    So, before I tell you what name we have now decided upon, at long last and after a very long period of consultation with our members, let me just clarify what we are and are not about.

    First, what WE ARE NOT:

    * WE ARE NOT a porn site!
    * WE ARE NOT anything to do with the seedy side of the internet.
    * WE ARE NOT trying to attract members who are simply looking for sex.

    Anybody who thinks we are any of the above is in the wrong place or has probably been watching too much Jerry Springer.

    WHAT WE ARE:

    * WE ARE a society, an alliance, an association of 'special girls'.
    * WE ARE a private club for like-minded people.
    * WE ARE a networking community much like Facebook but we offer so much more than that.
    * WE ARE here to provide friendship, information and support for transgender people, their families and friends.
    * WE ARE a place to come to for fun and to communicate with your TG friends.
    * WE ARE a place where you know you will always be welcome.
    * WE ARE like a family, a place where, once you have joined, you belong.
    * WE ARE always here with a friendly smile, help and advice, even when you are your lowest ebb.

    * Whilst WE ARE NOT activists, we do uphold the right of TG people to live without fear of ridicule and we do get cross when we hear about our sisters being treated poorly.

    Our new name needs to make us sound less like a community that's been knocked up in a back bedroom, and more like a proper organisation, which people from both inside the transgender community and from outside will respect. It needs to give us credibility.

    It's important to get our new name right so that it reflects the values we believe in, is not too long and does not contain the word, "tranny'.

    Having heard your suggestions for many months, I think we finally have it.

    Hugs,

    Katie x
  • February 11, 2010 2:11 PM GMT
    Well what is then?
    C'mon Katie I'm absolutely dying to know!
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    February 11, 2010 2:47 PM GMT
    How about "TheGirlsWeb" ??? (TGWeb)

    Oh...you chose a name already...c''mon Katie...please share!!!
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    February 11, 2010 2:51 PM GMT
    Tease!
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    February 11, 2010 3:46 PM GMT
    Just checking that we're all singing from the same hymn book. All will be revealed shortly!

    Hugs,

    Katie x
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    February 11, 2010 4:13 PM GMT
    Anticipation
    Anticipation
    Keeps making me wait......
    (I'll bet you didn't think I'd remember that song)
    hugs
    Gracie
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    February 11, 2010 4:17 PM GMT
    I am a little confused by your use of the expression "TG".
    Generally, the expression "TG" is used to describe a Trans-gender Person ...and not a Transvestite, Cross Dresser, or Transexual.
    If that is the case, your statement : "Whilst WE ARE NOT activists, we do uphold the right of TG people to live without fear of ridicule and we do get cross when we hear about our sisters being treated poorly. " ...excludes all but Trans-gender Persons ... Is that your intention?

    I believe that your own profile states that you are a Transvestite/Cross Dresser - does that mean that you will be leaving us?

    It worries me that you have already chosen a new name without a correct "Frame of Reference"

    I am taking hormones and I live as a woman - but I know that many people on this site are not (and may never be) at that point yet. It would be a shame to deprive these people of the knowledge, support, and companionship that this site (and it's members) offer.
    Doanna.

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    February 11, 2010 4:33 PM GMT
    Doanna
    TG - trans-gender is an "umbrella" that covers all of us.
    hugs
    Gracie
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    February 11, 2010 4:38 PM GMT
    Golly gee - I'm so excited - I'll get a new ID card - wow
    hugs
    Gracie
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    February 11, 2010 5:07 PM GMT
    Mary is quite right Doanna. Transgender is an umbrella term that covers all kinds of, er, trans gender. There must be a clue in the title.

    If you've read my book you will know that I have spent much of my life studying the 'differences' between the various transgender categories. I firmly believe that it's wrong to put anyone in a particular box, not only because people don't like being put in boxes but also because our gender identity can shift from one week to the next. For example I identify as a crossdresser today but know I need more than that. It's quite possible that in a year or two I could change crossdresser to transsexual and my hobby could easily become a permanent fixture.

    The Harry Benjamin Scale was a good attempt to categorise people who's gender identity did not match their physical gender but while trying to improve on that with the Katie Glover Gender Identity Scale, I realised that it was a hiding to nothing because nothing is set in stone.

    Also, because Trannyweb is for all kinds of TG people, the umbrella term Transgender fits perfectly.

    Having said that, the word transgender does not feature in our new name so really, it's academic.

    Any yes, we will have to rebrand everything Mary, including membership cards. It's going to be a huge job which will take months and cost a fortune so please bear with us.

    Hugs, Katie x
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    February 11, 2010 5:21 PM GMT
    hmm,

    GENDER SPECTRUM
    Resources For All Who Identify As Transgender

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    February 11, 2010 5:29 PM GMT
    Thanks for that Marsha but the time for suggestions is past. That's a good one though and our new name is not dissimilar, as you will see.

    Hugs, Katie x
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    February 11, 2010 5:47 PM GMT
    In my opinion we should take pride in what we are and not change the name just because of the opinion and misunderstanding of idiots and fools.I go out with shaped eyebrows,long feminine hair,makeup and long nails.Whenever i buy the feminine stuffs like wax strips the idiotic sales girls and men look towards me.I really feel like beating them to death.Gazing ,staring and passing lewd comments is common.What will happen if i go out in feminine clothes?I personally believe that if we change anything for these bast...,foolish men and women it will be their victory and a setback to us.I am even thinking that we tg sisters should unite together against teasing and publicly punish such menaces ,thereby send a very strong message to society.Believe me that people would never respect our feelings and the only way is to force them to respect us.We should never change anything just because of what these fool think.
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    February 11, 2010 6:14 PM GMT
    There's a lot more at stake here than just other people's opinions Miss Sudha. For example, we are marked down in search engine listings because we are a "tranny" site because, as all search engine companies know, all tranny sites must be porn sites.

    We also have trouble sending emails to people because our domain contains the word tranny. Until very recently, many of our new registrants using MSN Hotmail, Yahoo and Gmail addresses were unable to receive their password because our Welcome email was automatically deleted, simply because the domain it came from contained the word 'tranny'.

    We have got around that now, by not allowing new registrants to use those mail services on our registration form but that's not a perfect solution.

    There's a number of other reasons why we have to change but as I said before, I won't bore you with them. Suffice to say that this is a necessary change and one which I'd rather not go through, but it has to be done to safeguard our future.

    Hugs,

    Katie x


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    February 11, 2010 11:22 PM GMT
    I'm right behind you Katie, but I've had the op so you have no need to worry...
    You've made your decision, I think it's right to change the name, but will you PLEASE tell us what it is now?!

    Some of us here may be proud to be called a tranny, many will not. It is still used as a derogatory word by small-minded people, despite the tranny community taking ownership of it in the same way the gay community did with "Queer".
    The problems it causes being associated with considerably more seedy or exploitative sites are obvious.
    Many of us here live our lives as normal women, no woman wants to be called a tranny. None of us wants to suggest to our friends, family and colleagues that we are trannies and not normal women at all, so mentioning the name Trannyweb, which I am proud to be a member of, is not something I wish to do in front of any muggle.
    I love this site, but I’ve never liked being called a tranny.
    Now come one Katie, spill the beans!
    xx
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    February 11, 2010 11:46 PM GMT
    It's true that a lot of folk are still very anti-tranny. I mean, anti the word tranny, and most of them are actually trannies themselves. The establishment, search engine companies, banks, free email providers, the media, credit card payment gateways like PayPal and a host of others are also anti tranny.

    We could continue to take a stand and continue to reclaim the word tranny for us, as you suggested, the way that the gay community have done with the word queer.

    However, we've been doing that for a decade now and have taken some serious knocks because of it. We even lost our Google ads which formed a large part of our income. We have been brought to our knees because of our insistence on using the word tranny in our name and I don’t think we have managed to reclaim a thing. Times have never been so bad as they are now so in an effort to save the community from oblivion, I took the decision to change the name.

    Remember everyone, that before doing so, that we did have a period of consultation with the membership that has lasted for months.

    This is not something that is being taken lightly as it is our last chance to ensure survival beyond this year. We have to make a go of this or we are sunk. Trannyweb needs to grow into a new and credible organisation, that people from outside our community will take seriously and even look up.

    I'm so frightened that you won't like the new name and that is why I'm holding back on telling you what it is, for now anyway. First, I want everyone to understand the reasons for the change and the necessity of it all.

    There's no going back now though. The new domains have already been purchased and steps are afoot to start the site's rebranding. I promise that all will be revealed soon. Please bear with me for a little longer. We’ll be offering one final Trannyweb offer to help pay for it all, probably sometime tomorrow.

    Hugs,

    Katie x
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    February 11, 2010 11:50 PM GMT
    Hi Lucy,

    I agree with you on the term "tranny". I would never use it outside the confines of TW. It's offensive and I don't think we've reclaimed it like the gays have "queer." While I think of myself as a transvestite (I know that it is considered offensive too, but old habits are hard to break) though my preference is "Transgendered" because it is all inclusive of our whole community.

    I found TW by doing a Google search on "transvestite". I guessed it was a porn site from the name and was very pleasantly surprised to find what a great site it is.

    Definitely time to change the name for the sake of keeping the site viable.

    Best,
    Melody
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    February 11, 2010 11:56 PM GMT
    I personally have no desire to reclaim the word Tranny, and I’m really pleased that it’s being dropped from our name. You have absolutely made the right decision, Katie. The reasons you’ve given are perfectly clear and just. No doubt someone here won’t like the new name or will suggest a “better” one, but please don’t take it personally. If anyone complains about dropping tranny from our name they are just being stubborn. God forbid we should have any stubborn trannies on this site…
    xx
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    February 12, 2010 1:00 AM GMT
    I agree with Lucy 100%. About time Katie, lol.
    Hugs,
    Marsha
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    February 12, 2010 1:19 AM GMT
    Katie,
    As others have said. I echo. I am 100% behind the name change. I am completely ambivalent to 'tranny'. This site, this community, is far more important than how an uneducated society sees a word. You can call it 'The World of the Golden Frog' for all I care. It'll still be us! [Not so handy in a search engine though...]
    And, for me, if it means paypal will smile at you then at least I have a chance of achieving that hallowed goal of membership. I can't be the only one who cannot muster fees the way they are currently proscribed.
    Go for it girl.
    Now, give me the %^&*&^%%$ name!!!!!!!!!!!!
    :)
    Much love.
    Rae.
  • February 12, 2010 4:03 AM GMT
    It matters not to me what you call the site. I'm a crossdresser, and "tranny" doesn't bother me in the least.
    I personally never saw the discussion about changing the name. Not that it matters, I'll still come here and contribute when and if I can.
    Oh and does the name have something to do with the CW I've seen more than once here?
  • February 12, 2010 5:13 AM GMT
    I use a local college library quite a lot and the word and the word "Tranny" is on the banned list.
    So hopefully I'll be able to log on there with the new name (if I ever find out what it is!)
    Coincidentally while I was doing a web search on the reintroduction of wildlife into the
    Sottish Highlands I discovered to my amusement that the word "Beaver" was also banned.
    As for labels I don't really like being called a tranny. I'd rather be thought of as a male to
    female crossdresser who prefers appearing as and being treated as a woman, but you
    couldn't really make a very snappy title out of that mouthfull.
    I reckon you're going to call the site something like CrossWeb.
  • February 12, 2010 11:02 AM GMT
    The short-hand term Tranny has it’s place and can be used affectionately among those of us that fall into the broad spectrum of TG identification, but I welcome the prospect of shedding the maligned Tranny label associated with this website to reflect the sincerity of gender issues discussed herein. I’m also anxious to learn the new title.

    Jennifer
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    February 12, 2010 6:34 PM GMT
    Rae, if you can muster the fees to pay via Paypal, surely you could pay by cheque or postal order.
    If you have a credit or debit card associated with Paypal then I'm sure you could pay via Metacharge too.
    It's all in the FAQ's under the membership Services menu.
    xx
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    February 12, 2010 7:34 PM GMT
    Sadly, Lucy, that's the whole problem. I don't use credit or debit cards and I'm not in a position to pay for annual membership in one lump sum. I could, however, pay something like five or so pounds a month. But the current system doesn't support DD's or SO's.
    Thinking about it, doesn't have to be paypal. There are a couple of things I subscribe to and just transfer the money from my account each month.
    Rae xx
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    February 12, 2010 9:38 PM GMT
    Well Rae, the pennies you are saving by NOT being a full member you should put into a jam jar each month and in less than a year you can spend it on a postal order to buy a full year's membership. But if you can do DD's or SO's you could have a debit card, it doesn't cost anything.
    Get a life dear, this is the 21st century!
    xx
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    February 12, 2010 10:42 PM GMT
    Sadly - and amusingly - not quite so simple. My income isn't so expansive as to allow for the extravagancies of jam jar budgeting. I have an account that supports DD's but not debit cards. Whilst you may not be able to go overdrawn with a debit card, my particular financial institution links them with cheque cards which are a form of credit. I don't have a positive credit rating. Ergo, no access to debit cards...
    Rae xx
    Incredibly, I still have a life. It is disturbingly very 21st century...
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    February 12, 2010 11:34 PM GMT
    Well you did say you could pay something like 5 pounds a month, if there really is no way round the system then pay the 5 pounds into your jam jar every month instead.
    Or open an account with another bank, most will give you a debit card with a current account regardless of credit rating. Payment with a debit card really is a direct debit. To open my account my credit rating wasn’t checked and all I had to do was deposit one English pound. You probably can’t afford that…
    There is always a way, Rae. But I shan’t hassle you about it any more.
    xx
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    February 12, 2010 11:53 PM GMT
    Lucy, absolutely no hassle at all! My lack of linking into TW [or it's soon to be alter ego] irritates me greatly. Feel free to PM me about it. [Don't want to go too far off topic!].
    Rae xx
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    February 13, 2010 4:10 PM GMT
    Uhhmm, perhaps I stepped into a time-warp of some sort or am missing something entirely (admittedly I did fast forward through some of the posts on this thread) but didn't we do the name change suggestion thing almost a year or more ago? Was I in a Botox induced coma?

    Personally I'm ready for the Big Reveal <cue the stripper music, I can hardly wait to see Katie in her slinky floor length sequined gown with the velcro seams>. Since Spring, traditionally a time of renewal and blossoming, is just around the corner, perhaps that would be a good time to spring it on us.<ha-ha, Joni laughs immoderately at her own joke> Although, really, who wants to wait that long? Well, no matter, it's all up to our dear Katie who apparently knows how to build the tension to the point you don't even want to leave to get some popcorn.

    Can't wait.

    Hugs...Joni Mari
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    February 13, 2010 5:01 PM GMT
    Yes, it was nearly a year back (March 14th 2009) that I first asked for ideas. Nobody can say that we didn't have a good and lengthy consultation process on this.

    Initially I was worried about losing the name Trannyweb because we have spent so much time and effort in building it as a brand around the web. However, if the name is toxic, as I've been led to believe, then trans or tranny can have no part in our new name.

    I see this as a chance to start over with a clean slate. We can start a fresh, new gender organisation but having learnt from our mistakes in the past. I would imagine that the new and the old will run parallel for some time before being amalgamated into one. I'm sorry to keep you all in suspense but I'm still seeking technical advice on exactly how it will work.

    The new name will be revealed soon. Then you will know.

    Thanks for your patience and your continued support.

    Hugs,

    Katie x
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    February 13, 2010 8:34 PM GMT
    Hey Katie...very happy to hear about the name change. Yes, while tranny is a term of endearment for many of us, the derogatory connotations of the name imply something else in the minds of the general populace. I see the name change as a positive in the cultural evolution of who and what we all are, a positive move forward in furthering the overall understanding of everyone, us included. Society has become a much more open place than it was only a few years ago but that is only because of education and awareness of our "kind" in the mainstream. It's actually quite cool to be TG apparently...lol...never saw myself as cool but what the hey, i'll take it. Whatever name you've come up with will be fine I'm sure and more in line with the overall picture and theme of who and what we are and the type of site that has evolved over the years. Ergo "TW" was great to start with but doesn't encompass enough of the great things experienced on the site. We are an open door community here and there are many of us that can and have helped others to accept themselves and we get to heal ourselves in that process too...well done and I'm looking forward to being part of the more modern, refined website, whatever you may call it. Regards and much love to all my sisters here and in the future joining this site!...hugs and love, Katie D.
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    February 15, 2010 8:36 PM GMT
    Hi,

    I was really impressed with Trannyweb when I visited my local library. Local authorities have very tight restrictions on thier public access computers and the only transgendered site I was able to access was Trannyweb. For me, this goes to show that the content of this website is of high quality.

    I dont hide being trans or a tranny and I'm happy to talk to people, from outside of the community, who respect me. It is my understanding that a lot of people, and it seems more and more are learning to, know the difference between the seedy sex side of things and transgendered individuals struggling to cope with the gender difficulties.

    I'm not ashamed to be a tranny or trans and I think its a real shame when people feel they have to hide who they are and not live in freedom and liberty that western society preaches to the world. I believe it is a big shame to attempt to hide the nature of the website from the general public, maybe "closetweb.com" is an appropriate alternative, more akin to those hiding in the closet no doubt. I think changing the name gives out signals that being trans or a tranny is something to be ashamed of when in fact it should be something celebrated.

    I'm sure Katie has her reasons for changing the website name but for me it is only a matter of semantics because it doesnt change who we are and it wont change the nature of the site. Try not to be too disappointed when I say I will still be here whatever the name is! lol see you around! lol

    Love
    Penny
    x