February 23, 2010 8:53 AM GMT
Marsha,
Perhaps on reflection I should have made an introduction to this thread. After the lack of knowledge shown in the male rape thread,
I started doing some research. Became interested in the law and how it affected our community. I was then introduced to
Proffessor Andrew sharpe a lecurer in law and probably the leading expert in the UK on The SDA (Sex Descrimination Act) & the Gender Recognition Act 2004 that relates directly to Transgendered people in the UK.
I proposed a legal forum here in TW, where people could pose questions and get answer on things they were concerned about or situations they found themselves in.
I started this thread with opening passages to the Act to clarify the previous discussions about the churches and how the act
affected us, as it was quite an enlightening topic at the time for most people here. Although I'm getting on top of most of it thanks to Proffessor Sharpe, sometimes I think I have bitten of more than I could chew, but after the good resposes I had to other threads and topics regarding rights and the law, I have perserveered. Its taken time, but have found relevant topics that
most here in TW could not even imagine.
To Julia,
Even though I appear to be logged on to TW for long periods, I do not live in TW,, spending most of my time, working on the computer doing computer based accounting for my clients. Flitting backwards and forward checking responses and.making comments
Poffessor Sharpe has introduced me to so much, giving me so many interesting leads.
http://www.pfc.org.uk/node/322
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/h[...]225.stm
Here are a couple of links. the first I found unbelievable, that when the sexual offences act was ammended, post op M-F transexuals were overlooked within the sexual offences against the person act section one rape.
Judgmental High court rulings set precedents that overule statutes, the law of the land and raise ammendments within the relevant acts.
Not a lot of people know that..
Although, thankyou for the support, basically there was no need to respond to this thread it was an information thread, if anyone has a question or a point to raise please do so, lets not make it a never ending support or condemnation thread.
Cristine
February 23, 2010 12:51 PM GMT
Cris, Excellent! I've always respected your opinions, not always agreeing, but I've always known you make an effort to know what you are talking about. I often have trouble expressing myself correctly, leaving too much for the reader to fill in with their twist on the topic. You have handled yourself well here.
As for a Law forum, I believe my Politics forum should be changed to a "Law" forum. Politics tends to revolve around legislation, so it would be the perfect fit. Maybe the "Law and Politics" forum. I would love to share that with you. Katie, hint hint.
Hugs,
Marsha
February 23, 2010 3:11 PM GMT
Hi Cristine.
I am making an open apoligy to you , i am truely sorry for my post i just could not understand why it was there .
Me like many others maybe you too have been to hell to get this far, personaly i was hit over the head with a piece of 2x2 at my front door only just 2 months ago , because i suddenly moved it hit me over the top of my eye and i had blood running in my eyes and could not see , i slammed the door as i smelt petrol . This was an attack on me because i am TS .
I can see why we need laws to protect us but they don,t , i carried on my life as usual as i hav,nt come this far to be put off by low life like them' i would rather die than revert to what i was.
I realy do wish others would try more to stand up and be proud of being transgendered instead of hidding .
I don,t belong here so i am going to delete my profile in a few days , i have paid to be here for 1 year and if Katie can do it somehow you are welcome to the remainder of my subscription.
Once again i am sorry for any hurt i may have caused you .
You take care and carry on doing what you believe in , if it helps one person then be proud .
Bye Julia .
February 23, 2010 4:02 PM GMT
Dear Julia-
Please let me start by saying that you are welcome here, very welcome. I hope you'll reconsider your decision to leave. Just as I spoke up regarding your comment about Cristine, I want to speak up for you (though you certainly seem to be able to speak for yourself) and say that the personal comments directed at you were also wrong and uncalled for. While disagreements, even heated and vehement ones, are a part and parcel of the TW family at times, personal attacks are not and are discouraged.
Julia, you are a part of the family here, if you choose to be. No one is asking that you leave, no one is saying that your opinions and point of view are not valued. This particular thread has wandered far afield from Cristine's original intent, which is unfortunate, but sometimes happens. I hope that everyone will now let it go, take a deep breath and go on from here.
No matter what you choose to do, Julia, I personally wish you the best of luck on your journey. I feel awful about the physical assault you endured because of being TS, I hope your recovery has gone well for you.
Hugs...Joni Mari
February 23, 2010 4:08 PM GMT
How do I start, Julia. Whilst it is true there are lots of closet TV' CD's TS's and even some of my now post op freinds have gone stealth. Everyone has reasons and fears. I won't go into my own traumas and the things I have done, needless to say I have had a rather hedonistic lifstyle. But not every one can get out and about for various reasons. Some have to maintain a former life through honour comitments. Some people dress to escape realism, they don't all dress soley to get a sexual kick. The thing that upset me more was not a personal thing, its that you automatically seemed to place me in a category, a sad one. Which sorta reflects on everyone who is'nt out and proud, through various reason. Perhaps you were rash in your assumption, but everyone has a place here in TW. you can still wave the flag in here. I have been out and about since I was 16, perhaps I need to put my feet up and slouch about a bit. Personally I think you should stay on at TW, perhaps you have somthing positive to offer. As to your offer, I Will be taking out full membership and paying for last year as well. You stay a member enjoy. But I do so admire your courage in not letting the bastards grind you down xxXxx But other laws and rights that should protect us all, Lots of people in here thought there was no such thing as Tranny Rape perse. fearing they would be reffered to as men. The instances/links quotes were some of the precedents that included the TG community into the SDA acts preceeding the GRA. People still ask if they would be called Mr in court if they did'nt have their GRC. Defference would be given to complainants, witnesses or accused if it was reasonably shown the were transitioning..
To Marsha.
I did propose a legal forum, but it was mutually agreed not to rush ahead when I pointed out the (Ah! but). scenarios, which keep cropping up, Neither of us are legally qualified to interpret the laws and sometimes what you post today has already been ammended by precedent the day before. So there might be liabilities involved for TW for misinformation if people were taking the advice as statement of up to date fact. As to my Swearing on my life originally when somone mentioned they had to get special dispensation from a Bishop to get married in church. My imediate reaction was no way, the ERA and the GRA, says etc etc. how wrong I was to make assumptions and give my own reactionary opinion.
Cristine xxXxx
PS, an OMG how interesting, or I never even figured that out, response to the Judgement in Reading Crown court, first link would be acceptable, lol Somthing I found realy interesting even the clinical arguments for the defence. Well bless the judge.
February 23, 2010 5:24 PM GMT
Awwwww Julia!!!
That was very kind of you to step up to express your apology...you DO belong here...we are ALL in the same "boat" in one form or another...we ALL have valid points and life experiences that we can share with those in need...
PLEASE take a deep breath, think of where else you are going to find so many willing to lend an ear, hold your hand, and even chew you out when needed, but reconsider your feelings that you do not belong here and STAY! Your input is valued...
We are like one big happy dysfunctional family in here hun...we look out for each other where the world scorns us...we don't pass judgement on others but instead ALWAYS reach out when and where needed.
I apologize to you for coming down on you so harshly...I am very happy to see you have responded in kind! NOW, stick around...PLEASE!!!
Best wishes always...
Traci xxxx
February 23, 2010 11:14 PM GMT
Layla, you never seem to have anything good to say about anybody......so why not keep YOUR gob shut?
Anna-Marie
February 24, 2010 3:01 PM GMT
I'm not sure about politics and law sharing a forum, but that's only because anything with the 'P' word in it makes me groan and I just switch off, too many instances of corupt, lying and cheating politicians has led to that.
Law, on the other hand, always grabs my attention as forewarned is forearmed etc so I always like to know where I stand on a particular issue that is related to me.
I would be more in favour of a UK law forum and a US law forum, (giving that those two countries contain most of our members), as I think it is pointless arguing about US law if you don't live there, and vice versa. The debate quickly goes off track, as has happened here, and useful information can end up being 'lost' in the debate.
Nikki
February 24, 2010 10:24 PM GMT
Wow a 2x2 in the head...no wonder
February 26, 2010 10:42 AM GMT
Everyone,
whilst I realy appreciate the support, and try and be objective, I'm the first to respond when somone is insulted like man in the frock. The last post here is the pits. To me thats shameful. The lady has apologised to me in public and privately. A
sincere and heartfelt apology, Which has taken great courage and shows integrity. More than the people who insulted me openly in the chat room and not a word said since. I hope this is the end of it. I hope for everyones sake all the posts here,subsequent to my first two are deleted and we can get back to learning about our rights and the abnomalities in the laws that affect us. This is a virtual cyber world, Although I have met and shared moments with several members here, Julia does'nt know me from adam. She obviously felt bitter about her own experiences in being out and proud. Making what she thought was an inucous comment to my postings, thinking we should all be out and not closeted giving advice and commenting on life without having the real experience of living the life. My own experiences of out and proud might be frowned upon by quite a few.
letting the side down, lol Thats the end to it.
Cristine.
February 26, 2010 2:44 PM GMT
Excuse me...my last post was sincere from the heart !!! .
February 26, 2010 2:52 PM GMT
Sorry Jennifer, I thought your post was in the same vein as the preceeding ones,, suggesting being hit with a lump of 2x2 was deserved, just goes to show unless somone makes themselves clear a lot can be read into a few words.
Pleeeese can we now get back to normal,
Cristine
February 26, 2010 5:35 PM GMT
Gratefully accepted Christine.