Whilst I’m tending to agree with Cris’s last post, I have to pick up on a few quotes from Trine:
“And my point with relations to hormones is that for TS, they will only have "effect" for a relatively short time of 3-5 years and when it comes to breast growth, maybe as short as a year.”
Entirely made up. I’m over 5 years on hormones and am still achieving breast growth at the same gradual rate as I always have, just as my mum did. Some natal women get quite fast and seemingly sudden breast growth, many grow slowly and gradually. All women will experience changes from hormones for many years after the onset of puberty, breast growth does not take one or two years, and will not stop after this time. There is no reason why natal males on hormones should grow breasts quicker than natal females. They don’t. It takes many years to achieve full growth and hormones do not stop affecting you, ever.
“truly oestradiol is nothing else than salt…”
Except that it is oestradiol, not salt. Salt does not feminise the body. You should not put oestrogen on your chips.
“if you take oestradiol it might convert to testosterone…”
That is not possible, it will not. It is possible for testosterone in the human body to convert to oestrogen, but not the other way round.
“Well at least phytoestrogens… have been there for thousands of years and has always been part of our body. ”
Phyto-oestrogens are oestrogens found in plants, not in humans, they are not part of our body unless we eat them. Human oestrogen on the other hand HAS always been part of the body for thousands of years!
“I’m not defending the use of herbals…”
You are practically advertising the use of herbals. Whilst everyone has the right to their opinion, we do not allow individuals to endlessly make posts expounding their supposed benefits. We have genuine, good reasons for this shocking restriction on freedom of speech. For your own reasons you believe they are wonderful, I think we all get that. I don’t believe they are wonderful, I don’t go on about it.
Regardless of my opinions, you will not be allowed to endlessly post about how wonderful herbs are, I hope you understand.

As Rebeccas said:
“It's a dangerous fantasy to believe these are a safe alternative.”
Bio-identical hormones are actually extracted from the same plants as some herbal hormones, yet they are modified to remove toxins and to make them the same as human hormones. Make no mistake, herbal hormones are not food, they are plant extracts and may be extremely toxic.
It’s ironic that some people assume hormones are dangerous whilst herbals are safe, when they may be extracted from the same plant.
Any suggestion that hormones are essentially dangerous is misleading scaremongery. Trine’s very long list of possible side-effects is clearly nothing more than that. If my vagina starts bleeding I will of course let you know.
“We all have a right to express our views and opinions, but on important subjects such as this we should never dress them up as being fact. ”
Any suggestion that hormones are ineffective and herbals are “better” is not based on fact, but almost certainly on other motivations.
You may post your opinions on herbals here, but when it starts to sound like you are selling them, your posts will be edited or hidden.
Thanks for your understanding.
xx